The Falkirk FC Thread

[Blame Me]

Sounds like there was a difference of views between the BOD and what Doug Moodie, as elected FSS representative, thought.

The reference to ALL parties learning lessons and how the model can succeed suggests there has been some friction in the board room. 

As suggested in other posts it's a noble idea to govern by consensus ... until there isn't.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Con Stapleton said:

WTF is an alterior motif?

It’s an enamel brooch usually depicting a church or cotton mill. Much used by suffragettes prior to them being allowed to play golf at Muirfield.

[champions]

16 minutes ago, Jackie Myles said:

Major coverup that. How can telling us what happened add to the speculation for god's sake?What's the point in having a fans organisation of they wont tell you anything. What next? The clubs going bust but with respect to the board we didn't tell anyone. Feck me.

As per the BoD update 12 May 2022, which is in the public domain, it states that we require £300k additional income to ensure financial stability.  I'd like to know what progress is being made to reduce this deficit and has the projected figure changed for the better or worse.

Hopefully the BoD along with the FSS board are discussing this on a regular basis rather than burying their heads in the sand, and that there is a plan in place if the shit hits the fan. Imo this should be the number 1 agenda item.

[Springfield]

Who was responsible for the statement released ? Be good for someone to sign off……

[LatapyBairn.]

11 minutes ago, Blame Me said:

Sounds like there was a difference of views between the BOD and what Doug Moodie, as elected FSS representative, thought.

The reference to ALL parties learning lessons and how the model can succeed suggests there has been some friction in the board room. 

As suggested in other posts it's a noble idea to govern by consensus ... until there isn't.

Surely in a BOD situation unanimous consensus can’t always happen but every director should agree to go with the majority vote on any particular decision. People in these positions should surely realise that. 

[LatapyBairn.]

8 minutes ago, champions said:

As per the BoD update 12 May 2022, which is in the public domain, it states that we require £300k additional income to ensure financial stability.  I'd like to know what progress is being made to reduce this deficit and has the projected figure changed for the better or worse.

Hopefully the BoD along with the FSS board are discussing this on a regular basis rather than burying their heads in the sand, and that there is a plan in place if the shit hits the fan. Imo this should be the number 1 agenda item.

I’d guess we are making good progress on this just going by the number of new sponsorship deals announced since that statement (bare in mind our previous main sponsor hadn’t been paying the club anything at all!) and also progressing in the league cup which wouldn’t have been budgeted for. Of course the BOD can’t be expected to give a minute by minute account, I presume and expect the AGM would be the normal time and place for this information to be relayed to shareholders. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by LatapyBairn.

[Zbairn]

10 minutes ago, LatapyBairn. said:

Surely in a BOD situation unanimous consensus can’t always happen but every director should agree to go with the majority vote on any particular decision. People in these positions should surely realise that. 

That’s assuming the disagreement was on a policy direction. There are more reasons for resigning than just that.

[Bainsfordbairn]

2 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said:

Totally agree. 

Read the Facebook page and someone was having a go at Doug for liking a post saying it’s concerning and not what they want to see in a director. If Doug has felt hard done by then he’s every right to like whatever he wants and under no obligation to state what happened. If he did he’d no doubt be slaughtered by the same people.

It takes a lot for people to come out and have a go against an establishment, such as the club. I remember it here when a fan was abused by a director and made it known. If people are acting inappropriately then more power to those for letting it known or at least indicating not all is well. 

I’m afraid we’re going to disagree again. And the reason I disagree is because of your final sentence. You are 100% correct in what you’ve said in it.

Neither of us know if there is an issue, but I think it’s very likely given the comments from some of his friends and his response to them. The question is how you deal with that.

For me, you do one of two things. You come out openly and tell the world what the problem is. Or you keep your mouth shut and work quietly behind the scenes with the FSS committee to get it fixed so your successor doesn’t encounter the same issue.

What I don’t agree with is endorsing people who’re dropping hints and innuendo. I just don’t see any benefits to anyone in taking that approach. It’s neither open nor transparent, which is something we’d been promised the new setup will be.

[Guest]

Actions rather than decision making consensus would be a well trodden fault line I would think.

[LatapyBairn.]

29 minutes ago, Zbairn said:

That’s assuming the disagreement was on a policy direction. There are more reasons for resigning than just that.

I’m not assuming anything regarding the Douglas Moodie resignation gossip, I’m not even presuming there has been some kind of “disagreement” yet and nor should anybody else be to be honest, in fact I actually think him stepping down is most likely storm in a tea cup type stuff that shouldn’t really detract from the bigger picture. I was merely responding to another post regarding running the club by consensus and how it should work which in my opinion is totally correct, we are heading toward majority fan ownership and no single shareholder or director should presume they’re opinion out weighs that of the collective. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by LatapyBairn.

[Harry Kinnear]

See to be honest, I’m a member of FSS to try and help the club and I have absolutely no interest on ever getting on the board or who goes on the board. I’m not a rich person, I’ll never be a patron as the kind of money needed to do that I would never be able just to give the club but I take my hat off to those that can.

The bottom line for me is the team and how they perform on a Saturday, the politics of the board is of no interest to me. I’m happy that we have fans on the board who have our best interests at heart. If someone wants to chuck it then so be it.
 

I sometimes think us Falkirk fans have had such a shit time of things in the past 4 years that we just look for the negative in everything.

[Long Suffering Bairn]

Wake me up when you talk about things on the park.

[Harry Kinnear]

1 minute ago, Long Suffering Bairn said:

Wake me up when you talk about things on the park.

Exactly 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

I’m afraid we’re going to disagree again. And the reason I disagree is because of your final sentence. You are 100% correct in what you’ve said in it.

Neither of us know if there is an issue, but I think it’s very likely given the comments from some of his friends and his response to them. The question is how you deal with that.

For me, you do one of two things. You come out openly and tell the world what the problem is. Or you keep your mouth shut and work quietly behind the scenes with the FSS committee to get it fixed so your successor doesn’t encounter the same issue.

What I don’t agree with is endorsing people who’re dropping hints and innuendo. I just don’t see any benefits to anyone in taking that approach. It’s neither open nor transparent, which is something we’d been promised the new setup will be.

Firstly, “who’re” seems like an unacceptable interpretation of “who are”. Secondly, who is dropping hints or innuendo, and who is endorsing that?
I don’t do FB or Twitter, but a chap reacted to someone posting on the subject by saying that Doug Moodie “liking” a comment was not the behaviour they wanted to see from a FFC Director. Lucky then that the “like” wasn’t made by a FFC Director. Phew! That was a close call.

Your “one of two things” isn’t really a popular choice in the real world, is it? Your “open and transparent” cards are no match for a pair of “private and confidentials”

[Kircer bairn]

Any update on move for Henderson at Hearts 

[Reggie Perrin]

15 minutes ago, Kircer bairn said:

Any update on move for Henderson at Hearts 

Are we actually in for him?

[Bigbri Bairn]

See to be honest, I’m a member of FSS to try and help the club and I have absolutely no interest on ever getting on the board or who goes on the board. I’m not a rich person, I’ll never be a patron as the kind of money needed to do that I would never be able just to give the club but I take my hat off to those that can.
The bottom line for me is the team and how they perform on a Saturday, the politics of the board is of no interest to me. I’m happy that we have fans on the board who have our best interests at heart. If someone wants to chuck it then so be it.
 
I sometimes think us Falkirk fans have had such a shit time of things in the past 4 years that we just look for the negative in everything.

Could not have put it better. Nice one Harry

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

41 minutes ago, Bainsfordbairn said:

I’m afraid we’re going to disagree again. And the reason I disagree is because of your final sentence. You are 100% correct in what you’ve said in it.

Neither of us know if there is an issue, but I think it’s very likely given the comments from some of his friends and his response to them. The question is how you deal with that.

For me, you do one of two things. You come out openly and tell the world what the problem is. Or you keep your mouth shut and work quietly behind the scenes with the FSS committee to get it fixed so your successor doesn’t encounter the same issue.

What I don’t agree with is endorsing people who’re dropping hints and innuendo. I just don’t see any benefits to anyone in taking that approach. It’s neither open nor transparent, which is something we’d been promised the new setup will be.

No problem with disagreeing. Life would be dull if we all agreed about everything. 

You can have your opinions on how you would deal with it but the point is it’s not you and it’s not your or anyones right to demand the person come out and reveal all. Most will just say nothing but if you’re a fan and want to reveal that something is not right then liking a post can at least allow others to start asking questions.

In the same sense that you can say not to make suppositions when we don’t know the full ins and outs, maybe you should try speak to Doug before making your own judgements about his conduct. 

[Bigbri Bairn]

Its getting to the stage that if a board member says good morning it really means that the night before or the evening after either were terrible or going to be terrible

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

2 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said:

To me the “out of respect for the board” line is all wrong. The FSS shouldn’t be here to show respect to the board, the purpose is surely to represent and advocate for the interests of the club, in particular the supporters. If that necessitates being critical of the board, so be it.

Its another reason Imo why we need a genuinely balanced board- i.e. one not composed entirely of patrons.

There will be points when the perspectives of the patrons and the FSS are not aligned and current model creates a conflict of interest when that happens.

Agree with this