The Falkirk FC Thread

[Passionate]

Just now, GeordieBairn said:

Lightweight and was nowhere near ready ability wise before he got a terrible injury. Not sure how he’s progressed since

Killie binned him in the summer,  can see him getting signed up by ourselves we have no left sided players at present..

[TheScarf]

2 hours ago, Kevin James Left Knee said:

The ONLY way to do this is to up the club's income and reduce expenditure. 

We are facing at least, at best, a £400,000 deficit. This means that the signings are going to be 1 or possibly two contracted players then the rest will be loans. 

This has been said publicly several times. 

We need people to sign up for FSS - Morton have 800+, we currently have 430. It is the one way we can immediately  increase the income to the club - currently 6K a month more or less. 

We can get some expenditure down by loaning out players or (miracle) getting some to leave.  And we need volunteers at the club to help get income.

After that cup runs and people turning up for home games are the the other income generators. The latter will only happen if we start winning games.

This is our brutal reality. 

It's amazing how many fans of clubs in the Championship and League One think their board can 'stretch the budget to get one of 2 new faces in'.  It doesn't work like that.  Managers get their budget and that's it.  If they spunk it on shite like you have the last 3/4 years, or Dunfermline last year, then it's tough luck.  Our fans are guilty of it to, do these fans think the chairmen is holding money back from the manager?  They're given what the club can afford.

In fact, the term 'stretch the budget' should be banned on this website.  It does my cunt in.

[ShaggerG]

29 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

It's amazing how many fans of clubs in the Championship and League One think their board can 'stretch the budget to get one of 2 new faces in'.  It doesn't work like that.  Managers get their budget and that's it.  If they spunk it on shite like you have the last 3/4 years, or Dunfermline last year, then it's tough luck.  Our fans are guilty of it to, do these fans think the chairmen is holding money back from the manager?  They're given what the club can afford.

In fact, the term 'stretch the budget' should be banned on this website.  It does my c**t in.

Aye, quite agree. I suppose that more money could be available in the form of loans or gifts, or the budget might be increased because ST sales have exceeded expectations or whatever but, if the manager’s been given a budget it’s difficult to see how that can be ‘stretched’.  It is what it is.

We’ve had a few folk on talking about binning last season’s shite so that we can get better in like they’ll just walk for nothing. We even had one guy who suggested they could be sacked under gross misconduct because they weren’t very good!

[Jackie Myles]

36 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

It's amazing how many fans of clubs in the Championship and League One think their board can 'stretch the budget to get one of 2 new faces in'.  It doesn't work like that.  Managers get their budget and that's it.  If they spunk it on shite like you have the last 3/4 years, or Dunfermline last year, then it's tough luck.  Our fans are guilty of it to, do these fans think the chairmen is holding money back from the manager?  They're given what the club can afford.

In fact, the term 'stretch the budget' should be banned on this website.  It does my c**t in.

I'm not sure that's true to be honest.  I've been at AGMs and meetings where the club has stated that we've gone over the budget given to the manager at the start of the window . You  often get managers asking boards for more money too and getting it. 

[latapythelegend]

On the topic of budgets, any idea how much season tickets sold we have budgeted on for the coming season?

[TheScarf]

2 minutes ago, ShaggerG said:

Aye, quite agree. I suppose that more money could be available in the form of loans or gifts, or the budget might be increased because ST sales have exceeded expectations or whatever but, if the manager’s been given a budget it’s difficult to see how that can be ‘stretched’.  It is what it is.

We’ve had a few folk on talking about binning last season’s shite so that we can get better in like they’ll just walk for nothing. We even had one guy who suggested they could be sacked under gross misconduct because they weren’t very good!

Yeah, if you sign shite like McKay and Wilson on 2/3 year deals you're fucked as you either need to use some of the budget to pay them to fuck off, or use some of it to pay them and get no use out of them as you can't play them due to lack of ability.

[TheScarf]

5 minutes ago, Jackie Myles said:

I'm not sure that's true to be honest.  I've been at AGMs and meetings where the club has stated that we've gone over the budget given to the manager at the start of the window . You  often get managers asking boards for more money too and getting it. 

I'd say it's true 99% of the time.  It's a risk most chairmen won't take.

Edit - John Hughes has tried it at more than one club and has correctly been told to fuck off each time.

Edited June 29, 2022 by TheScarf

[Jackie Myles]

Just now, TheScarf said:

I'd say it's true 99% of the time.  It's a risk most chairmen won't take.

 If a manager comes and says this player has become available and he will make a huge difference to the side bods will usually try and find the money. They also have a bit of flexibility depending on the situation. Some will keep some money back for exactly that reason too.

[third lanark]

5 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Don’t know what Wilson’s on but let’s say £500pw/£25kpa. Surely it’s better to beg or borrow to pay him off with something like £5-£10k ratherthan have him doing nothing and saving the balance of his salary.From his point of view, once he realises he’s no chance of a game, it’s also a good deal. Surely?

Don’t know the ins and outs but if he as you say is not very good and possibly not get another club is he not just as likely to wait the full contract if £25 grand a year than just walking away with £5 or £10 grand and no guarantees on finding another club?

[Dawson Park Boy]

23 minutes ago, third lanark said:

Don’t know the ins and outs but if he as you say is not very good and possibly not get another club is he not just as likely to wait the full contract if £25 grand a year than just walking away with £5 or £10 grand and no guarantees on finding another club?

You could be right.

As he is under contract, not a lot we can do other than offer encouragement to leave.

[TheScarf]

Aye it would need to be a mutual agreement job.  Basically 'Can we agree on £10k and you can fuck off?'

Edit - We did it with Duku in January, Dodds realised he's screwed up by signing him and that he wasn't good enough so we paid him off and signed Samuels.  A clear upgrade too, which was nice.

Edited June 29, 2022 by TheScarf

[bairn88]

2 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Aye it would need to be a mutual agreement job.  Basically 'Can we agree on £10k and you can f**k off?'

Edit - We did it with Duku in January, Dodds realised he's screwed up by signing him and that he wasn't good enough so we paid him off and signed Samuels.  A clear upgrade too, which was nice.

I know for a fact we've done it in the past - get rid of guys who had a year + on their contract for less than their contract would've been worth.

However, if the player says - "No. I'm happy to train every week and sit in the stand on match day", there is f**k all the club can do about it. In these times I can hardly blame them. 

[TheScarf]

3 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

I know for a fact we've done it in the past - get rid of guys who had a year + on their contract for less than their contract would've been worth.

However, if the player says - "No. I'm happy to train every week and sit in the stand on match day", there is f**k all the club can do about it. In these times I can hardly blame them. 

Aye in that case you're screwed.  All you can do is pay them and curse the useless bastard who signed them.

[Springfield]

1876 STs Incredible 

[FFC 1876]

2 hours ago, TheScarf said:

It's amazing how many fans of clubs in the Championship and League One think their board can 'stretch the budget to get one of 2 new faces in'.  It doesn't work like that.  Managers get their budget and that's it.  If they spunk it on shite like you have the last 3/4 years, or Dunfermline last year, then it's tough luck.  Our fans are guilty of it to, do these fans think the chairmen is holding money back from the manager?  They're given what the club can afford.

In fact, the term 'stretch the budget' should be banned on this website.  It does my c**t in.

But surely the budget could be stretched slightly...

[FFC 1876]

2 hours ago, Passionate said:

Killie binned him in the summer,  can see him getting signed up by ourselves we have no left sided players at present..

He didn't really get much of a game for us and at the time he was only 17/18 so it was hard to judge as he clearly wasn't ready for first team football. Is the lad you've sign Justin Devenney related to him? As did he not just come from Killie too.

[Brian Carrigan]

Any idea who your trialists have been? Reasonably good chance we’ll be sniffing about your potential cast offs.

[gav-ffc]

6 minutes ago, Brian Carrigan said:

Any idea who your trialists have been? Reasonably good chance we’ll be sniffing about your potential cast offs.

Benni Smales-Braithwaite Played on Friday but nowhere to be seen last night plus Finn Yeats who’s played both games. Yeats done well and definitely has something to offer. 
 

The rest are u18 players.

[18BAIRN76]

If I was Jaime Wilson, I’d be sitting out the last year of my contract as a full-time footballer, knowing no other club is ever going to sign me in that capacity again. Might as well while he can - can’t blame him for that.

[Russ]

Any idea who your trialists have been? Reasonably good chance we’ll be sniffing about your potential cast offs.

Aye we’ve had the young boy from Southampton who was brutal, Finn Yeats young boy released from Aberdeen who’s looked really good and I’m hoping we give him a new deal, Ethan Ross and a whole bunch of 16/17 year olds that will more than likely be looking to be signed for our under 18’s so not much for you guys to be potentially looking at.