The Falkirk FC Thread

[ShaggerG]

1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said:

No point signing Griffiths and failing to strengthen the other areas of the side enough. If we pump 1500 a week on a player and end up outside the top 4 then that is wasting money it's as simple as that especially when he you think of the kind of wages the players at the likes of Montrose will be on.  I doubt whoever's manager next season will have the same luxury of having that kind of cash to spend on an individual player so it has to be seen to achieve some level of success surely.

I don't disagree at all. I'm simply pointing out the type of stuff you would come out with under such circumstances. As well as having a laugh I should add.

[Springfield]

26 minutes ago, HopeStreetWalker said:

The boards statement today was obvious 'money is going to be tight and a hybrid fulltime / part time set up is on the cards if there is not an influx of funds from the fans. As you said unloading players on contract will bite into the player budget but it has to be done. Can the club buy out 12 players at say 15k each = 180k ? No. So its punting 6 or 7 and trying to offload the others on loan to take a % of the  wage bill is the most likely course of action. Plus on the management side of thing its not a matter of do Falkirk want Rennie / Miller. It's whether Rennie / Miller want their coaching CV trashed by having Falkirk on it there's a very good chance they will walk.

What a mess ! 

For me we get one last chance next season.

Failure to go up, will be catastrophic and if we don’t go bust we will be languishing in the murky depths of lower league football for years.

Somehow we must find the resources to put together a strong team, with a strong spine which we failed to find for three consecutive seasons and crucial to winning any league.

This squad needs emptying and new players should be getting identified and targeted now. 

Today’s statement was as good as it gets, and very transparent.

If the BOD think we can survive with this lot we’d be as well shutting the doors. 
If we have any ambition players like Kabia / Dowds / Griffiths / Watson / Morrison must be kept. The rest ? Maybe McCann Mutch 

The rest can pick up their boots and GTF. imposters is being kind to them.

Desperately needed GK LB|RB CB two - MFs two - CFs two. 

Get these correct and we stand a chance. Failure I don’t want to think about 

[LatapyBairn.]

6 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said:

Very disappointing if that’s the case. It would be grossly premature to renew his contract at this stage.

It does look like that is what’s being set up with the talk of ‘significantly improved’ results.

I do think the implication in the statement of ‘give us your money or we’ll be part time next season’ is laying it on a bit thick.

There are significant cash reserves as of the last accounts and the claim that even a hybrid model would be unaffordable is odd when we have teams like QoS, Morton and Raith full time with a fraction of our support base.

Agree mostly but the Morton / QOTS comparisons aren’t totally relevant when you take into account the 500k gift they were handed and also the circa 200k more in SPFL prize money they receive by playing in the championship in comparison to our league one moneys. The extra thousand or so fans we have doesn’t really compensate for that I don’t think.   ( I’m told Morton also have 900 members paying into a supporters society similar to ours, our fans haven’t  yet bought into the FSS to that level)

Edited March 2, 2022 by LatapyBairn.

[Shadwell Dog]

Size of budget means nothing if your going to continually sign duff players. I noticed in the statement that it was highlighted how brilliant it was that the management had managed to get players from higher leagues to sign for us. Christ we've been doing that since we came down and it's got us absolutely nowhere. I'd rather we were cherry picking some of the best players at this level.  Dylan Easton for one. Could the Griffith's money not have been used to make a decent offer for him instead? Frizzell I always think is another decent player at Airdrie. Cammy ballantyne the fullback at Montrose always looks a decent player. There's guys at this level with ambitions of full time football and instead of signing duds from further up the league's to me they would be far better options.

[Sarcastic Bairn]

Some of the usual consistent negative moaners on here are like the Covid experts who turned into Russian war specialists, seem to know the answer to everything yet haven't done anything about it.

 

[Bigbri Bairn]

I really do think constantly changing manager and players is one of the reasons we are where we are. Nobody going to get a testimonial with this waltzer of a club. MAN U had a new manager who the fans wanted rid of until they won the league Cup. Ferguson proved that stability can bring results We just need to stop wishing for a wonder manager who will make us all happy and try to get a regular developing team. Cove Rangers have a settled team with just a few additions this season

[Gaz]

17 minutes ago, Sarcastic Bairn said:

Some of the usual consistent negative moaners on here are like the Covid experts who turned into Russian war specialists, seem to know the answer to everything yet haven't done anything about it.

 

You’re right, because if there’s one thing that’s happened over the past ten years it’s that the consistent negative moaners have been proven wrong time and time again.

Except that’s not what’s happened at all, has it?

[JulioBairn]

14 minutes ago, Bigbri Bairn said:

I really do think constantly changing manager and players is one of the reasons we are where we are. Nobody going to get a testimonial with this waltzer of a club. MAN U had a new manager who the fans wanted rid of until they won the league Cup. Ferguson proved that stability can bring results We just need to stop wishing for a wonder manager who will make us all happy and try to get a regular developing team. Cove Rangers have a settled team with just a few additions this season

I think we’d all like stability but we have a major problem - we are 1 season away from going part time and keep signing shite players. There is no way we can start next season with the majority of this lot. If we want stability we need a better base to start from. 

[Bigbri Bairn]

Is Dixon our longest serving player apart from Mutch? A team who have no loyalty or pride in playing for Falkirk as they know they are merely transients

[Bairn in Exile]

39 minutes ago, Bigbri Bairn said:

I really do think constantly changing manager and players is one of the reasons we are where we are. Nobody going to get a testimonial with this waltzer of a club. MAN U had a new manager who the fans wanted rid of until they won the league Cup. Ferguson proved that stability can bring results We just need to stop wishing for a wonder manager who will make us all happy and try to get a regular developing team. Cove Rangers have a settled team with just a few additions this season

While we ain't Manchester United, Ferguson was initially under pressure because their fans perceived him to be under performing while their club was in the top league. Our managers are under performing while in tier 3.  They deserve to be kicked out. We should at the least be a top of the championship / bottom of the premiership team. If our managers were struggling when we are in the premiership I could see the case for being patient and giving them time but not now and where we are.

[Sarcastic Bairn]

15 minutes ago, Gaz said:

You’re right, because if there’s one thing that’s happened over the past ten years it’s that the consistent negative moaners have been proven wrong time and time again.

Except that’s not what’s happened at all, has it?

Yeah, you are right because the moaners are always correct on here, so why are none of them on the Patrons or fans society?

 

 

 

[Guest Caractacus Potts]

13 minutes ago, Bairn in Exile said:

While we ain't Manchester United, Ferguson was initially under pressure because their fans perceived him to be under performing while their club was in the top league. Our managers are under performing while in tier 3.  They deserve to be kicked out. We should at the least be a top of the championship / bottom of the premiership team. If our managers were struggling when we are in the premiership I could see the case for being patient and giving them time but not now and where we are.

Also Ferguson was also a proven winner. What he done at his other clubs was remarkable. Wasn’t like he was someone they took a punt on. They beat Real Madrid in the Cup Winners Cup Final. They knew they had a gem in their hands. Do we!?

[Bigbri Bairn]

While we ain't Manchester United, Ferguson was initially under pressure because their fans perceived him to be under performing while their club was in the top league. Our managers are under performing while in tier 3.  They deserve to be kicked out. We should at the least be a top of the championship / bottom of the premiership team. If our managers were struggling when we are in the premiership I could see the case for being patient and giving them time but not now and where we are.

and the needle returns to the start of the song and we all go along as before

[KiwiDB]

Size of budget means nothing if your going to continually sign duff players. I noticed in the statement that it was highlighted how brilliant it was that the management had managed to get players from higher leagues to sign for us. Christ we've been doing that since we came down and it's got us absolutely nowhere. I'd rather we were cherry picking some of the best players at this level.  Dylan Easton for one. Could the Griffith's money not have been used to make a decent offer for him instead? Frizzell I always think is another decent player at Airdrie. Cammy ballantyne the fullback at Montrose always looks a decent player. There's guys at this level with ambitions of full time football and instead of signing duds from further up the league's to me they would be far better options.

What, like Leon McCann?

[Russ]

Yeah, you are right because the moaners are always correct on here, so why are none of them on the Patrons or fans society?
 
 
 

So people can’t criticise unless they pay £10k to become a patron?

I’m a member of FSS and I think based on what we’ve seen so far Rennie is a shite manager. Does that make my opinion more valid than someone who rates Rennie but isn’t a member?

[Bigbri Bairn]

I am longing for the days where we bled young players who had come through the development ranks are their goal was to play in the first team for Falkirk. Some succeeded some did not but they all seemed proud to wear the shirt We don't have that now ( yet hopefully ). instead we sign up players who just want a wage and are sure they will be punted so why bother. Sad state of affairs

[Russ]

I really do think constantly changing manager and players is one of the reasons we are where we are. Nobody going to get a testimonial with this waltzer of a club. MAN U had a new manager who the fans wanted rid of until they won the league Cup. Ferguson proved that stability can bring results We just need to stop wishing for a wonder manager who will make us all happy and try to get a regular developing team. Cove Rangers have a settled team with just a few additions this season

Sorry for the double post but I hate the argument that constantly sacking managers is a bad thing and is the reason we are where are. It’s not. Constantly making the wrong managerial appointment is the reason. Ever since we appointed Hartley (100% the right call at the time btw) we’ve made a complete arse of appointing a competent manager since.

[Sarcastic Bairn]

25 minutes ago, Russ said:

So people can’t criticise unless they pay £10k to become a patron?

I’m a member of FSS and I think based on what we’ve seen so far Rennie is a shite manager. Does that make my opinion more valid than someone who rates Rennie but isn’t a member?

Not what I said at all, but thanks for answer to something else.

I would say your opinion is hasty to call someone shite though at this stage.

 

 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Springfield said:

I’d be astonished if most contracts dished out by the previous incumbents are not heavily weighted/caveated on promotion this year, and failure would see these ripped up, or at least re-negotiated. 

I sincerely hope that we’re getting rid of at least half the shite we suffered for so long, and if the BOD are to be taken seriously nothing less than a clear out will be acceptable.

The prospect of teams like EF PH taking the piss on our own turf is simply unacceptable.

Fans will back this club as long as they see it’s getting back on an even keel, this starts with a clear out. Anything else I suspect will see a massive drop in STs.

Where are the NB guys ? I’m sure there was a considerable amount of cash promised. Are these guys still around ? If there’s a time for support and further help/investment, one would guess it’s going to be in a couple of months time. 
 

You really think that Holt and Deans will have contracts that do that? Your confidence in their competence astonishes me. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said:

Rennie managed 2 seasons in the MLS finishing 5th and 7th in a 9 team league. Is the standard really better than the Scottish Premiership?

He done very well to manage there but it’s hardly a who’s who of the World’s most successful coaches. 

I never said he was a works best quote but was comparing his managerial CV, not his playing career, with Hartley and McKinnon. He has managed at a better level and yes it is better than the Scottish Premiership.