1876 ffc Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, Back Post Misses said: That was the NB group not the Patrons. If that’s the take of the patrons they can GTF too. rename the group and lose integrity. Pathetic. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcastic Bairn Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said: I thought the 2 new guys had been voted in until the end of the season already ?? Yep, but if your a member they are they to represent us and to get your points across and then two new supporters get in after this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 I wouldn’t worry about Holt he will be away for sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokeville Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 There’s no way the new board won’t be involved in the new managers appointment. Anyone who thinks Gary Holt will make the appointment is well off the mark. The people who will be running the club have invested their own money and that makes a huge difference on the governance of our club from tomorrow. It’s exactly what we need. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Aye but it could just aswell be a new head coach under a new director of football when Holt goes. Except you can’t do that. Holt will be a member of staff and unless you can sack him for gross misconduct, then you will be making the position redundant, meaning you can’t fill it for 6 months 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sarcastic Bairn said: Yep, but if your a member they are they to represent us and to get your points across and then two new supporters get in after this. Ok doke - fair enough. Is Nigel Serafini who was elected the same guy who’s the MD of Lothian Buses and got loads of bad publicity by taking a £45k bonus when many of the staff were on furlough ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Numbers_One_To_Eleven said: If Rice comes in is it likely he’ll be here in 3 years time? I don’t think so. If he somehow got us out of this division (promoted) in that time, that would do me. Thing is, I would like who ever takes temporary charge (we now know that's Grainger), to be in a position where we could potentially give them the gig full-time if they do well. I wouldn't want Rice long-term because of his personal issues, his lack of success at Hamilton and the fact that he's a popular former player. (Always ends in tears) Grainger's as good as we could expect at the moment I suppose as he knows the players and hopefully will have an idea of how to get more out of them. I just hope that the players respect and like him and will react positively to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BountyBairn Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, Rocco said: Except you can’t do that. Holt will be a member of staff and unless you can sack him for gross misconduct, then you will be making the position redundant, meaning you can’t fill it for 6 months Is he a Director of Football? Or a sporting director? Or a Director of Football Operations? Or a Technical Director? We could change the role to make it suit our actual intentions - is it to put in place a footballing structure? Manage recruitment and scouting? Set the standard and strategy entirely for the football side? Either way empty Holt now, what’s next is next. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, brokeville said: There’s no way the new board won’t be involved in the new managers appointment. Anyone who thinks Gary Holt will make the appointment is well off the mark. The people who will be running the club have invested their own money and that makes a huge difference on the governance of our club from tomorrow. It’s exactly what we need. Would agree here. Obviously matters more when there money involved and the new Board would be insane to allow a single person to handle the recruitment of the new manager. Holt should go, and the role of DoF be made redundant immediately. Always thought it a load of bollocks. Manager, assistant, and 1st team coach is all we ever need. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, ShaggerG said: Thing is, I would like who ever takes temporary charge (we now know that's Grainger), to be in a position where we could potentially give them the gig full-time if they do well. I wouldn't want Rice long-term because of his personal issues, his lack of success at Hamilton and the fact that he's a popular former player. (Always ends in tears) Grainger's as good as we could expect at the moment I suppose as he knows the players and hopefully will have an idea of how to get more out of them. I just hope that the players respect and like him and will react positively to him. Yes, but we just don’t know how close he was to Sheerin’s tactics (not that there were any) but you get my drift? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, ShaggerG said: Thing is, I would like who ever takes temporary charge (we now know that's Grainger), to be in a position where we could potentially give them the gig full-time if they do well. If they get us out of this league? Maybe. if they win two out of their first three games? Absolutely not. We gave the chuckle brothers the full-time gig after beating a junior side and a couple of decent, but hardly inspiring, results. We all know how it ended up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcastic Bairn Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, ShaggerG said: Grainger's as good as we could expect at the moment I suppose as he knows the players and hopefully will have an idea of how to get more out of them. I just hope that the players respect and like him and will react positively to him. They downed tools big time, I just get the feeling that they were a pair and we might not get a bounce back, hope I'm wrong and someone inside knows more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkirkBairn2021 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, JulioBairn said: Please don’t say your going to pretend that it’s vastly different people. Allowing Colborn into your gang and not emptying Holt would get this new dawn off to the worst possible start. You keep preaching this “it’s time we all stick together”. You know what needs done. 100% agree. If this 'new dawn' still has McFarlane, Colborn, Wright, Bateman, Holt and Andy Thomson involved it can get to f**k. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Yes, but we just don’t know how close he was to Sheerin’s tactics (not that there were any) but you get my drift? Absolutely. Time will tell. If I was Grainger though I would immediately change to a different formation and ditch this daft playing out from the back pish, whether he agrees with it (or was even involved in introducing it) or not. That would at least show that he's trying to do something to improve things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalkirkBairn2021 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Rocco said: Except you can’t do that. Holt will be a member of staff and unless you can sack him for gross misconduct, then you will be making the position redundant, meaning you can’t fill it for 6 months As said before you can put Holt on gardening leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18BAIRN76 Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 Sorry, but after what we've just witnessed with Sheerin, anyone who thinks his right-hand man Grainger on a long-term basis is what we need requires a head check. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPar Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 No thanks to Grainger. Guilt by association maybe, but sacking Sheerin and chucking it at his assistant? Not for me. Never liked the concept of a manager being emptied and the No 2 stepping up. Works occasionally - Wright following Lomas at Perth comes to mind - but more often than not is a cheap option which proves to be a disaster. It was blindingly obvious to anyone at Firhill yesterday that there was a complete breakdown between the team and coaching staff. Fresh ideas and outlook are urgently required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatapyBairn. Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 28 minutes ago, Grangemouth Bairn said: I thought the 2 new guys had been voted in until the end of the season already ?? Only as a temporary measure for 6 months until the FSS membership is up and running so proper elections can be held. You could sign up and vote? or even put yourself forward as a candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangemouth Bairn Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, FalkirkBairn2021 said: 100% agree. If this 'new dawn' still has McFarlane, Colborn, Wright, Bateman, Holt and Andy Thomson involved it can get to f**k. I thought Bateman had been confirmed as one of the 5 already ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, FalkirkBairn2021 said: As said before you can put Holt on gardening leave. No you can’t, unless it’s whilst working notice. That would potentially be constructive dismissal. You either sack him for gross misconduct or other breach of contractual terms (difficult to argue potentially but would depend on contract) or make the role redundant. Redundancy is a cheaper route to go down, but the club needs to be validly taking the post out of existence. We can all see a valid argument for us not needing a DoF role, but it does need to be properly considered before acting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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