AGPar Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, CoveRangers1922 said: I'm in agreement, he would be a gamble for sure. Not one that Cove could really afford to take either given we have Rory (34) and Leighton McIntosh, who I'd have little faith in as a main striker, as our only backups to Mitch. We need someoneΒ more established at this level or higher.Β Β Finding them is nigh on mission impossible unfortunately. McManus was a huge success for us two seasons ago - out of the picture at a Premier League club, but with a reasonable degree of experience, proven record in League One and, crucially, willing to drop downΒ two levels in exchange for regular football. Reilly might have been of a similar profile, but has now gone to Morton. Shaw is another one who appears to be available from RC, and would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have, but again, interest from Championship clubs means there's no chance whatsoever.Β The longer we remain stuck at this level, the more the pool of realistic, viable targets seems to diminish every window. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoveRangers1922 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, AGPar said: Finding them is nigh on mission impossible unfortunately. McManus was a huge success for us two seasons ago - out of the picture at a Premier League club, but with a reasonable degree of experience, proven record in League One and, crucially, willing to drop downΒ two levels in exchange for regular football. Reilly might have been of a similar profile, but has now gone to Morton. Shaw is another one who appears to be available from RC, and would be a significant upgrade on what we currently have, but again, interest from Championship clubs means there's no chance whatsoever.Β The longer we remain stuck at this level, the more the pool of realistic, viable targets seems to diminish every window. Exactly this. The gems that are willing to drop down and do make an impact like McManus and Tiffoney in reason seasons are as you say very hard to come by. A squad / fringe squad player in the prem might willing drop to the Championship but are very loathe to dropping down 2 divisions. Falkirk should be most capable of attracting these types of players given prem/championship legacy, being full time, and to a lesser extent geographical position in relation to Cove for example. I guess the downside is that Falkirk in very recent times haven't been viewed as stable in regards to manager/player turnover. Β Granted the longer you at this level the above attractions diminish. I don't see Falkirk being stranded at L1 for much longer, last season imo. Whether that is automatic promotion or through the playoffs is to be seen. Edited August 30, 2021 by CoveRangers1922 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, CoveRangers1922 said: Exactly this. The gems that are willing to drop down and do make an impact like McManus and Tiffoney in reason seasons are as you say very hard to come by. A squad / fringe squad player in the prem might willing drop to the Championship but are very loathe to dropping down 2 divisions. Falkirk should be most capable of attracting these types of players given prem/championship legacy, being full time, and to a lesser extent geographical position in relation to Cove for example. I guess the downside is that Falkirk in very recent times haven't been viewed as stable in regards to manager/player turnover. I really donβt think anyone is hard to come by provided youβre able to pay enough money and provide regular football. The examples are only low in this division because there havenβt been many teams with the finances available to afford these players but Rangers, Gretna, ourselves, Cove and Partick have shown that players capable of low end Premiership/high end Championship will make the drop. What is increasingly clear is that our team requires more investment. UnlessΒ anyone of real quality comes in the next few days and more blips occur thenΒ once again will beg the question of why the club knocked back Β£500k.Β Β Β 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoveRangers1922 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, Caractacus Potts said: I really donβt think anyone is hard to come by provided youβre able to pay enough money and provide regular football. The examples are only low in this division because there havenβt been many teams with the finances available to afford these players but Rangers, Gretna, ourselves, Cove and Partick have shown that players capable of low end Premiership/high end Championship will make the drop. What is increasingly clear is that our team requires more investment. UnlessΒ anyone of real quality comes in the next few days and more blips occur thenΒ once again will beg the question of why the club knocked back Β£500k.Β Β Β We have signed ex-prem players yes but the ones coming in this summer were already released and in the twilight of their careers. Draper by the looks of it should have just retired. Shay Logan will be a decent addition, Vigurs got something to give but is nothing more than a quarterback and Fyvie plays that role better. Gourlay played 10 games for Hamilton (somehow) and is a bombscare. Our finances allow us to get ex-prem players but Hartley choosing them is the issue and as you will already know that's a disaster.Β 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Good to see Holt using his livingston connections for our benefit again not.Β They certainly can't come out and say that there's not been decent strikers available out there when that is most certainly not the case.Β If he fails miserably to get a half decent goal scorer in this week then he can get to feck and that will give us another 40k to help entice someone decent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, FFC 1876 said: Lemon's essentially competiting for Dixon's spot and unless Dixon gets injured he won't see much game time. May as well get him out on loan so hopefully he can continue improving. Same with Williamson as he's not going to displace Mccann. Weekes I'd rather keep as he'd be a useful option off the bench with his pace and directness. If McCann or Dixon get crocked Id much prefer to have lemon about as cover.Β I'd have Dixon at left back before C Williamson if it's going to be longer than a week or so and I'd dread to think what Mackay and hall would be like.Β Lemon seemed very comfortable at this level so I really don't see him learning much from playing in the shitey lowland league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, CoveRangers1922 said: We have signed ex-prem players yes but the ones coming in this summer were already released and in the twilight of their careers. Draper by the looks of it should have just retired. Shay Logan will be a decent addition, Vigurs got something to give but is nothing more than a quarterback and Fyvie plays that role better. Gourlay played 10 games for Hamilton (somehow) and is a bombscare. Our finances allow us to get ex-prem players but Hartley choosing them is the issue and as you will already know that's a disaster.Β Yeh no doubt mate but sure the players you mentioned would have received offers to play at a higher level. Logan just played the end of the season with the Championship winners after all.Β Β At the end of the day money talks(although doesnβt guarantee you good players).Β 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDust Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I wonder if Jakubiak might be an option more so if Griffiths ends up back at Dundee. He is a player I reckon could play behind the main striker alsoΒ It is very much a McManus scenario 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zbairn Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 49 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: If McCann or Dixon get crocked Id much prefer to have lemon about as cover.Β I'd have Dixon at left back before C Williamson if it's going to be longer than a week or so and I'd dread to think what Mackay and hall would be like.Β Lemon seemed very comfortable at this level so I really don't see him learning much from playing in the shitey lowland league. Exactly! Early days, but from what I have seen, Lemon is the pick of the bunch and strolled through his matches. These are the type of guys we need to bring on when coasting a match and giving them as much game time as possible in this division, with a view (and hope) to making their 1st team place permanant. Weekes is another who has shown that he is as good as we already have.Β I wouldn't mind it if he replaced McGuffie in the squad.Β Β 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marshmallo said: The source that said Reilly had "signed" for us must be the same oneΒ who informed us we'd signed Liam Craig. Was just coming on to question the person that said it was a 'done deal' Β It's genuinely possible you weren't even in for him, but around the time it was rumoured, Martindale made a comment saying he rejected a few offers as the clubs that were in for him couldn't afford him, which is surprising given Morton are now paying his wage in full. Edited August 30, 2021 by ATLIS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Zbairn said: Exactly! Early days, but from what I have seen, Lemon is the pick of the bunch and strolled through his matches. These are the type of guys we need to bring on when coasting a match and giving them as much game time as possible in this division, with a view (and hope) to making their 1st team place permanant. Weekes is another who has shown that he is as good as we already have.Β I wouldn't mind it if he replaced McGuffie in the squad.Β Β When do you ever see a centre back brought on when you are winning a game? If he goes out on loan he'll be playing week in week out which will benefit him more than sitting watching games go by on our bench. 1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said: If McCann or Dixon get crocked Id much prefer to have lemon about as cover.Β I'd have Dixon at left back before C Williamson if it's going to be longer than a week or so and I'd dread to think what Mackay and hall would be like.Β Lemon seemed very comfortable at this level so I really don't see him learning much from playing in the shitey lowland league. Put a recall option in the loans and if Mccann or Dixon do get injured then they are brought straight back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, FFC 1876 said: Put a recall option in the loans and if Mccann or Dixon do get injured then they are brought straight back. Remember you can only recall within transfer windows as well though as you can only register them as a player in those periods if returning from another club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, FFC 1876 said: When do you ever see a centre back brought on when you are winning a game? If he goes out on loan he'll be playing week in week out which will benefit him more than sitting watching games go by on our bench. Put a recall option in the loans and if Mccann or Dixon do get injured then they are brought straight back. You can only recall in January FFS and then again at the end of the season.Β I wouldn't want to gamble for that long.Β Lemon is already good enough to play at this level so I've no idea why you'd want him punted out to two levels below. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyBlueArmy1876 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 If the 3 young guys going on loan frees up enough money for a second loan to come in then I would be happy with that. Saturday showed we desperately need better options on the bench than Ompreon and WilsonΒ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFalkirkBairnB Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Syd Puddefoot said: Folk thatΒ were moaning about youngsters topping up the first team squad now moaning that they're going out on loan. Fickle fc. Presume there moaning that they are going out on loan with out any replacements.Β 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 hours ago, AFalkirkBairnB said: Presume there moaning that they are going out on loan with out any replacements.Β I wouldn't punt Lemon out as he's already proved his worth. Weeks has done well too although we may have enough options in that area at the moment. The boy Williamson could perhaps benefit from a loan spell though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebobsboy Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 If they do go on loan without any replacements comingΒ in Sheerin, Holt and Grainger better get their boots looked out.Β 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Just now, ebobsboy said: If they do go on loan without any replacements comingΒ in Sheerin, Holt and Grainger better get their boots looked out.Β Least Grainger would guarantee us scoring pens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Holt would run out in a fucking KilmarnockΒ kit. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, badgerthewitness said: Holt would run out in a fucking KilmarnockΒ kit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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