Guest Caractacus Potts Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said: Posted this already but the role of a Commcial Manager / Director is to maximise income. Whether or not you find something cringeworthy or cheap looking is irrelevant. Well it does matter if it makes the club look an embarrassment. Scraping a one nil win against Dumbarton while a couple of folk are messing about in a hot tub wasn’t great. It’s the same principle if we accepted large sponsorship from a sponsor with questionable ethics. Sometimes just because you can make a couple of extra grand doesn’t mean you should. Also there are other avenues to make money than just selling every bit of available space. The retail offerings have never been great for instance. That’s not having a go at Kieran but surely there has to be some regulations drawn from the top about redressing the balance between commercial income, aesthetics and fan perception. Those steps have all been permanently sold for £50 too. It’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things and who will upkeep them? How will it look if they all start getting damaged and dirty when fans are back in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmyself Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Well it does matter if it makes the club look an embarrassment. Scraping a one nil win against Dumbarton while a couple of folk are messing about in a hot tub wasn’t great. It’s the same principle if we accepted large sponsorship from a sponsor with questionable ethics. Sometimes just because you can make a couple of extra grand doesn’t mean you should. Also there are other avenues to make money than just selling every bit of available space. The retail offerings have never been great for instance. That’s not having a go at Kieran but surely there has to be some regulations drawn from the top about redressing the balance between commercial income, aesthetics and fan perception. Those steps have all been permanently sold for £50 too. It’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things and who will upkeep them? How will it look if they all start getting damaged and dirty when fans are back in. You and ZzzBairn are fair sapping the already limited fun out of a football forum. Not everything is a complete catastrophe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ilostmyself said: 21 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said: Well it does matter if it makes the club look an embarrassment. Scraping a one nil win against Dumbarton while a couple of folk are messing about in a hot tub wasn’t great. It’s the same principle if we accepted large sponsorship from a sponsor with questionable ethics. Sometimes just because you can make a couple of extra grand doesn’t mean you should. Also there are other avenues to make money than just selling every bit of available space. The retail offerings have never been great for instance. That’s not having a go at Kieran but surely there has to be some regulations drawn from the top about redressing the balance between commercial income, aesthetics and fan perception. Those steps have all been permanently sold for £50 too. It’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things and who will upkeep them? How will it look if they all start getting damaged and dirty when fans are back in. You and ZzzBairn are fair sapping the already limited fun out of a football forum. Not everything is a complete catastrophe. When we had the season we have had and stuck in League One for at least another year then I tend to think otherwise. Genuinely would like to be more positive but I think the root of our problems still remains and may possibly be worse with all that’s happened around the club recently. Despite my opinions on some commercial activities, getting rid of someone that clearly was well liked by sponsors isn’t a good thing. Edited June 12, 2021 by Caractacus Potts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I agree that at the moment the signings haven’t filled me with confidence for winning this league. The one thing I will say, is it will all depend on if Sheerin can make them play as a team. The sad reality is that if we had a coach last season who knew what they were doing, we would have probably won the league. Personally, we should be doing what we can to bring McManus in. I know there is always concern about bringing players back, but he is proven at this level. Win the league? M8, they've just finished 5th & missed out on the play off! Making it this time round would be an improvement, anything better a bonus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, kiddy said: 6 hours ago, Rocco said: I agree that at the moment the signings haven’t filled me with confidence for winning this league. The one thing I will say, is it will all depend on if Sheerin can make them play as a team. The sad reality is that if we had a coach last season who knew what they were doing, we would have probably won the league. Personally, we should be doing what we can to bring McManus in. I know there is always concern about bringing players back, but he is proven at this level. Win the league? M8, they've just finished 5th & missed out on the play off! Making it this time round would be an improvement, anything better a bonus. So the aim won’t be to win the league? Pretty sure they’re not building a team with the intention of making the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said: Well it does matter if it makes the club look an embarrassment. Scraping a one nil win against Dumbarton while a couple of folk are messing about in a hot tub wasn’t great. It’s the same principle if we accepted large sponsorship from a sponsor with questionable ethics. Sometimes just because you can make a couple of extra grand doesn’t mean you should. Also there are other avenues to make money than just selling every bit of available space. The retail offerings have never been great for instance. That’s not having a go at Kieran but surely there has to be some regulations drawn from the top about redressing the balance between commercial income, aesthetics and fan perception. Those steps have all been permanently sold for £50 too. It’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things and who will upkeep them? How will it look if they all start getting damaged and dirty when fans are back in. No argument about the retail situation but attempting to equate a couple of daft but harmless commercial events with sponsorship by betting or payday loan type organisations is just silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Reggie Perrin said: No argument about the retail situation but attempting to equate a couple of daft but harmless commercial events with sponsorship by betting or payday loan type organisations is just silly. Your point suggested the sole purpose was to bring in revenue. I was just making a point that shouldn’t always be the priority. Has to be a balance in every situation. I just didn’t like the hot tub promotion. I don’t think I was alone in that and to me it’s an example of going too far just to gain publicity. Anything going on during the game should add to the spectacle and not distract from it(although recently maybe we do require more distractions!) Edited June 12, 2021 by Caractacus Potts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie Perrin Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said: Your point suggested the sole purpose was to bring in revenue. I was just making a point that shouldn’t always be the priority. Has to be a balance in every situation. I just didn’t like the hot tub promotion. I don’t think I was alone in that and to me it’s an example of going too far just to gain publicity. Anything going on during the game should add to the spectacle and not distract from it(although recently maybe we do require more distractions!) The advertiser wants the media coverage, the club wants the advertisers money. Nothing at all to do with publicising the club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Reggie Perrin said: The advertiser wants the media coverage, the club wants the advertisers money. Nothing at all to do with publicising the club. Kieran said in a newspaper article that these things were ways of generating publicity for the club, as well as the client. I’m sure money changed hands but again, for me I’d rather we found a different way of raising the same amount of money. That’s all I’m saying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Caractacus Potts said: Kieran said in a newspaper article that these things were ways of generating publicity for the club, as well as the client. I’m sure money changed hands but again, for me I’d rather we found a different way of raising the same amount of money. That’s all I’m saying. I'm sure the club would be delighted to hear your suggestions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: I'm sure the club would be delighted to hear your suggestions. Be good if they were open to some suggestions from fans at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said: I don’t imagine paying £50k would be the issue. I highly doubt McManus will be going to TNS without a very good wage, singing on fee accommodation etc. That’s what we wouldn’t be able to compete with. Emmmm......,naw. The 50k would be a massive issue. Absolutely huge. No Commercial Department, no income, no ST sales, loss of significant sponsorship money. The revenue hole is massive. There is no 50k to sign anyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrbairn Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 The publicity stunts were great for business. They were picked up by the red tops which in turn made other businesses interested as it also raised their profile. I had never heard of the hot tub firm but do know a few people who got a tub because of the stunt. Well it does matter if it makes the club look an embarrassment. Scraping a one nil win against Dumbarton while a couple of folk are messing about in a hot tub wasn’t great. It’s the same principle if we accepted large sponsorship from a sponsor with questionable ethics. Sometimes just because you can make a couple of extra grand doesn’t mean you should. Also there are other avenues to make money than just selling every bit of available space. The retail offerings have never been great for instance. That’s not having a go at Kieran but surely there has to be some regulations drawn from the top about redressing the balance between commercial income, aesthetics and fan perception. Those steps have all been permanently sold for £50 too. It’s not a lot in the grand scheme of things and who will upkeep them? How will it look if they all start getting damaged and dirty when fans are back in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrbairn Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Is McCann out of self isolation yet BB 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Caractacus Potts Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bigbrbairn said: The publicity stunts were great for business. They were picked up by the red tops which in turn made other businesses interested as it also raised their profile. I had never heard of the hot tub firm but do know a few people who got a tub because of the stunt. Not saying it would’ve been bad for them. Anyway doesn’t matter. Think I made my point. If folk didn’t mind it then that’s fair. Each to their own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) .......and doubtless KK brought in revenue, and doubtless got a nice commission on the back of it, but our illustrious Chairman deciding to dispense with Alex Totten showed that he was a million miles away from understanding just how many sponsor and commercial deals were predicated on the relationships with Totten, not KK. When Totten was shown the exit door, a good chunk of season on season sponsorship money went with him. KK was happy to take the credit for that revenue, but when it left the building,he knew he didn’t have the relationships required to get it back again. Pressure pressure pressure. Edited June 12, 2021 by Duncan Freemason 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 The sooner our season starts the better. Announce some ballers. Preferably ballers who can run for days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 16 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said: So to gain a controlling stake in the club costs £612,000 in League 1 at 40p/share! Surely there’s no chance our shares would go up to £1.30 in the Premiership as that would cost £1,989,000 to gain 51% valuing the club at just less than £4m. That was the point I was trying to make to BPM. Surely if you dilute the shares then you dilute the value of the shares. Only a crazy person would pay £2m to gain full control of Falkirk. How much do the Rawlins think they can sell their shares for if that’s their intention and how much will it cost them to get to that point? To buy a controlling share 51% you would need the club circa 2,000,000 shares. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 20 hours ago, Caractacus Potts said: What percentage does that amount to? About 6.2% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I have not commented on the KK situation but it was clear he did bring in a fair bit of revenue. How much that was, how that was measured, how well the club managed him, how much was him or Totts are questions that are not relevant now really. What is obvious is that we have a massive hole in our ability to raise commercial revenue now. KK has not been around for a while. What was the plan for his succession? What was the plan to replace Totts? David White is a reliable short term replacement but he is retired and is not the long term future. Sales in this area are very much relationship reliant. Who on the Board has those broad skills and relationships around the business community to pick that up? We have a Board with 4 consultants and two people 4500 miles away now. ST sales not started, no strip launch and a squad that looks no better than the McKinnon one at this point. I await they are a new Board excuse being rolled out by the fluffers. Excuse me but the Chairman has been on the Board for 2 years and this Board have been working in the background for 18 months. Did they ever think what happens when Totts and KK are not there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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