Shadwell Dog Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 According to reports that's 3 deadlines the Scottish government have now missed in this the most recent being yesterday morning. Frankly that's ridiculous when clubs and players livelihoods are at risk here. A null and void could see a whole pile of players dumped on the scrapheap with their contracts simply ripped up not to mention the amounts clubs will have to repay fans and quite possibly sponsors. Whilst the SFA has a lot to answer for sacrificing the lower leagues the government shouldn't be letting its internal squabbles get in the way of running the bloody country. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said: According to reports that's 3 deadlines the Scottish government have now missed in this the most recent being yesterday morning. Frankly that's ridiculous when clubs and players livelihoods are at risk here. A null and void could see a whole pile of players dumped on the scrapheap with their contracts simply ripped up not to mention the amounts clubs will have to repay fans and quite possibly sponsors. Whilst the SFA has a lot to answer for sacrificing the lower leagues the government shouldn't be letting its internal squabbles get in the way of running the bloody country. Couldn’t agree more. Why worry about a global pandemic when League 1 and 2 are on furlough.... -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestfieldBairn Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 44 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: Couldn’t agree more. Why worry about a global pandemic when League 1 and 2 are on furlough.... Who says it’s to do with the virus? If Sturgeon/Salmond got their act together they wouldn’t be in such as mess as they are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 This is a much bigger issue than just the lower leagues. There are lots of young lads out there desperate to get playing sport again but going mental being shackled for no particular reason. Most of the old and vulnerable have been jabbed weeks ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestfieldBairn Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) The fact the Government aren’t actually saying what’s stopping the leagues to get back and what needs to happen to get the leagues back. Yes, the SFA stopped the leagues but it’s the government stopping them from returning. This goes way past the furlough that was mentioned. Is there no regard for players mental health or well being? The rate of spread is now lower than what it was when we were last playing added to the fact all clubs have agreed to test. If it was so bad, the other leagues would have been stopped also. To me, it’s quite clear what is happening here. They are delaying it as much and as long as possible so the only option is to cancel the full thing and then turn around and say “we had no option”. If this happens, I hope the clubs take this as far as possible. I mean Jason Leitch said we were close to good news. How long is close? He’s on off the ball more than Tam Cowan ffs and we’re no further forward. Edited March 2, 2021 by CC52 FFC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 hours ago, FFC 1876 said: And yet we're all aware you're a p***k, crazy how knowledge works ae? ^^^ verge of tears 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said: According to reports that's 3 deadlines the Scottish government have now missed in this the most recent being yesterday morning. Frankly that's ridiculous when clubs and players livelihoods are at risk here. A null and void could see a whole pile of players dumped on the scrapheap with their contracts simply ripped up not to mention the amounts clubs will have to repay fans and quite possibly sponsors. Whilst the SFA has a lot to answer for sacrificing the lower leagues the government shouldn't be letting its internal squabbles get in the way of running the bloody country. Why would contracts be 'ripped up' when clubs are taking advantage of furlough? And given that the SPFL doesn't have a competition sponsor, the grand total of money paid back to sponsors for not completing the season at league level is zero. Other than those basic factual errors, a solid 0/10, weepy nonsense post about the injustice of it all. There's a nationwide lockdown - sit down with your self-entitled pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, CC52 FFC said: The fact the Government aren’t actually saying what’s stopping the leagues to get back and what needs to happen to get the leagues back. Yes, the SFA stopped the leagues but it’s the government stopping them from returning. This goes way past the furlough that was mentioned. Is there no regard for players mental health or well being? The rate of spread is now lower than what it was when we were last playing added to the fact all clubs have agreed to test. If it was so bad, the other leagues would have been stopped also. To me, it’s quite clear what is happening here. They are delaying it as much and as long as possible so the only option is to cancel the full thing and then turn around and say “we had no option”. If this happens, I hope the clubs take this as far as possible. I mean Jason Leitch said we were close to good news. How long is close? He’s on off the ball more than Tam Cowan ffs and we’re no further forward. Govts ok with rangers travelling to Belgium for a match with absolutely no quarantine when they come back but we aren't allowed to play fecking Clyde up the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, virginton said: Why would contracts be 'ripped up' when clubs are taking advantage of furlough? And given that the SPFL doesn't have a competition sponsor, the grand total of money paid back to sponsors for not completing the season at league level is zero. Other than those basic factual errors, a solid 0/10, weepy nonsense post about the injustice of it all. There's a nationwide lockdown - sit down with your self-entitled pish. He didn't mention anything about SPFL sponsors being repaid. He was referring to clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: He didn't mention anything about SPFL sponsors being repaid. He was referring to clubs. How much did clubs have to pay back to individual sponsors for not completing the 19/20 campaign? Edited March 2, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, virginton said: Why would contracts be 'ripped up' when clubs are taking advantage of furlough? And given that the SPFL doesn't have a competition sponsor, the grand total of money paid back to sponsors for not completing the season at league level is zero. Other than those basic factual errors, a solid 0/10, weepy nonsense post about the injustice of it all. There's a nationwide lockdown - sit down with your self-entitled pish. Teams have sponsors do they not? If I'm paying 2ook to sponsor some clubs jersey over a certain number 14 games then I'm not going to be happy with 5 or 6 . Same with advertising boards at stadium. So I would say the grand total needing paid back could be pretty substantial. If your paying up players wages or their on deals longer than you want this is an easy way to get rid of them. If a players signed a two year deal and been shit cheerio saves us paying for another season and there's feck all the player can do about it. This is all added to say 2000 plus season tickets sold for 14 home games when only what half that have been played. It's going to be big sums going out the door that's for sure and when it comes to trying to get sponsors for next season when a lot of firms are in a tight financial spot it's going to be very difficult when companies hsve been pissed about two seasons on the trot. Edited March 2, 2021 by Shadwell Dog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: How much did clubs have to pay back to individual sponsors for not completing the 19/20 campaign? I have no idea, nor does any member of this forum I'd imagine as that tends to be sensitive information that clubs are not going to share with the general public. Of course, you seem to know that no money was paid back to any sponsors hence the smug response and obviously know that will be same for this season. This is the point where you say "swing and a miss" or something to that effect isn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Teams have sponsors do they not? If I'm paying 2ook to sponsor some clubs jersey over a certain number 14 games then I'm not going to be happy with 5 or 6 . Same with advertising boards at stadium. So I would say the grand total needing paid back could be pretty substantial. How much did clubs pay back to individual sponsors last season, when the exact same scenario occurred? Quote If your paying up players wages or their on deals longer than you want this is an easy way to get rid of them. If a players signed a two year deal and been shit cheerio saves us paying for another season and there's feck all the player can do about it. Well yes there is actually because clubs are still bound by their existing contracts. I've no idea why you think that furlough changes players' contract rights: it does not. Quote This is all added to say 2000 plus season tickets sold for 14 home games when only what half that have been played. It's going to be big sums going out the door that's for sure. If Scottish football clubs were foolish enough to offer a 14 game package from October 2020 then the onus is on those businesses to deal with the fallout and find an accommodation with its customers - rolling over those benefits into next season if customers want this option. I don't see the Barrowlands crying about the fact that their scheduled gigs in the first half of 2021 have been canned by a national lockdown. The government is not responsible for bailing out Scottish football's ridiculous business approach during a pandemic. Edited March 2, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: I have no idea, nor does any member of this forum I'd imagine as that tends to be sensitive information that clubs are not going to share with the general public. Of course, you seem to know that no money was paid back to any sponsors hence the smug response and obviously know that will be same for this season. This is the point where you say "swing and a miss" or something to that effect isn't it? If you had seen this coming then I've no idea why you went down this rabbit-hole of fail. Club sponsors are completely irrelevant to the decision to null and void: the only issue (as was the case twelve months ago) is with league sponsors who pay out the real cash. As there is no league sponsor for the SPFL competition and the TV contracts are highly likely to be fulfilled in full, there is therefore no obstacle to null and voiding the leagues. The only question would be whether the prize money would be distributed based on current league positions or paid equally to every club in the division. You understandably enough would not want that outcome to happen, but the idea that it would produce a financial disaster that would chuck hundreds of poor young men out of their profession is nonsense. Indeed, the greatest risk to the survival of the professional game and to players' livelihoods is actually continuing without crowds: including at the Championship level. If it comes down to a choice between playing 18 games or sitting on furlough until null and void prize money rolls in then I suspect many clubs will prefer the latter. It would after all be in the best interests of securing their club's future to do so. Edited March 2, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: If you had seen this coming then I've no idea why you went down this rabbit-hole of fail. Club sponsors are completely irrelevant to the decision to null and void: the only issue (as was the case twelve months ago) is with league sponsors who pay out the real cash. As there is no league sponsor for the SPFL competition and the TV contracts are highly likely to be fulfilled in full, there is therefore no obstacle to null and voiding the leagues. The only question would be whether the prize money is based on current league positions or paid equally to every club in the division. You understandably enough would not want that outcome to happen, but the idea that it would produce a financial disaster that would chuck hundreds of poor young men out of their profession is nonsense. Indeed, the greatest risk to the survival of the professional game is actually continuing without crowds: including at the Championship level. If it comes down to a choice between playing 18 games or sitting on furlough until null and void prize money rolls in then I suspect many clubs will prefer the latter. It would after all be in the best interests of securing their club's future to do so. "league sponsors who pay out the real cash" "there is no league sponsor for the SPFL competition" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 The prize money for the 2020/21 SPFL ('the league') therefore consists solely of the money from TV contracts. Can't believe that I had to walk you through that particularly simple concept, but here we are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: The prize money for the 2020/21 SPFL ('the league') therefore consists solely of the money from TV contracts. Can't believe that I had to walk you through that particularly simple concept, but here we are. That differs completely from what you said. League sponsorship is not the same as a TV deal. Every year there is a TV deal in place with Sky/BT or whoever in the past. Overall sponsorship is a completely different matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, CC52 FFC said: The fact the Government aren’t actually saying what’s stopping the leagues to get back and what needs to happen to get the leagues back. Yes, the SFA stopped the leagues but it’s the government stopping them from returning. This goes way past the furlough that was mentioned. Is there no regard for players mental health or well being? The rate of spread is now lower than what it was when we were last playing added to the fact all clubs have agreed to test. If it was so bad, the other leagues would have been stopped also. To me, it’s quite clear what is happening here. They are delaying it as much and as long as possible so the only option is to cancel the full thing and then turn around and say “we had no option”. If this happens, I hope the clubs take this as far as possible. I mean Jason Leitch said we were close to good news. How long is close? He’s on off the ball more than Tam Cowan ffs and we’re no further forward. 1 hour ago, Bantabairn said: I think your right on the money 52 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Govts ok with rangers travelling to Belgium for a match with absolutely no quarantine when they come back but we aren't allowed to play fecking Clyde up the road. Definitely aged well, these 3. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, virginton said: The prize money for the 2020/21 SPFL ('the league') therefore consists solely of the money from TV contracts. Can't believe that I had to walk you through that particularly simple concept, but here we are. We also can't believe our clubs still living rent free in your toaty wee head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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