The Falkirk FC Thread

[MrDust]

2 hours ago, Ecosse83 said:

It will be closed down approximately 10 minutes after the results are in!

I await Morton v Dunfermline on Friday to see who is missing, that's if they are testing, wouldn't surprise me if they did a week turnaround like they do.

The game also could be off due to positive cases which would be the first lick to the stamp to suspend the championship.

 

 

[foreverarover]

Knew this would get the holier than thou, zero riskers out in force. 
Everything we do in life comes with a risk. We evaluate these risks to weigh up whether an action is worth doing or not. There has been little to no evidence that playing football outdoors causes ANY increase in transmission. Very, very strict protocols in place which I know falkirk are following extremely seriously - no car shares, different changing room spaces etc. On the other hand, football is a lifeline to a huge number of people. Warnock said it best midweek. Turn on the news, and it’s death and horribleness wherever you look. Sport provides a brilliant escape from this and is arguably necessary.
Short sighted? Definitely. Have they learnt nothing in 10 months? NOTHING will improve in 3 weeks time. Suspending the Scottish cup as well, so there’s an impossible fixture backlog? Good one lads [emoji23][emoji23].
I thought James Anderson granted each club money at the start of the season to test? Has that been spunked up the wall by everyone else too? I can just about understand wanting the league to be stopped until testing was in place. But an outright postponement? I do not think that is the correct decision. 
 

The money from James Anderson was used to improve infrastructure around the ground and make is safer on a daily basis. What do you think the money at falkirk would have been used for. The very same social distancing measures you talk of. This was on the cards for several weeks feel. The distribution of the government money was clearly for this scenario to take place. All football under the top flight should be cancelled. Alloa and arbroath are mainly part time. Just finish the top league and have reconstruction for next year, bringing in the lowland league and Highland clubs as should have happened this season.

[Dawson Park Boy]

14 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

Whilst not wanting to take anything away from the sentiment of your email, I don’t believe this to be correct.
More young people are being admitted as there are more cases as the new stain is more infectious. However I don’t think there is any evidence that it’s more virulent or infecting a higher proportion of younger people....

Yes - average death age is still well into the 80’s and total UK deaths in under 60’s is still only around 400.

[RandomGuy.]

2 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

They also asked all clubs if they could complete the season without any crowds for income and all the clubs said yes.

Because the choice was saying yes or drop into, at least, League Two, potentially lower.

A real hard one to answer why clubs said yes despite knowing they'd struggle to make it through the season tbh, when the alternative was guaranteed death.

2 hours ago, Shadwell Dog said:

If Arbroath and Alloa were allowed to continue under certain restrictions then clubs in league one and two should've been given that option too.  

Alloa and Arbroath have maybe 40 players who'll be working part time, potentially less due to lockdown. The SPFL have decided that small amount is a risk worth taking as the other 8 clubs, and their 200 players are full time and won't be mixing with non-footballers outside their family.

League One/Two have say 340 part time players.

Can you not see the difference in terms of risk, and why Alloa/Arbroath are allowed to continue?

This is all about trying to prevent the spread as best as possible, while keeping clubs alive. Top two tiers can both track their players better due to being mostly full time, while also surviving weekly testing, while the bottom two tiers can't easily track their players due to being part time, and also couldn't survive through weekly testing.

[Shadwell Dog]

7 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Because the choice was saying yes or drop into, at least, League Two, potentially lower.

A real hard one to answer why clubs said yes despite knowing they'd struggle to make it through the season tbh, when the alternative was guaranteed death.

Alloa and Arbroath have maybe 40 players who'll be working part time, potentially less due to lockdown. The SPFL have decided that small amount is a risk worth taking as the other 8 clubs, and their 200 players are full time and won't be mixing with non-footballers outside their family.

League One/Two have say 340 part time players.

Can you not see the difference in terms of risk, and why Alloa/Arbroath are allowed to continue?

This is all about trying to prevent the spread as best as possible, while keeping clubs alive. Top two tiers can both track their players better due to being mostly full time, while also surviving weekly testing, while the bottom two tiers can't easily track their players due to being part time, and also couldn't survive through weekly testing.

If it was all about safety and risk they would've shut down all levels below the top flight and perhaps even it but it isn't.

 Imagine the government had only shut down restaurants depending on whether they produced decent food and could afford testing.

And I don't see any evidence at all thar league one and two could not survive through weekly testing? If stenhousemuir can then I'd expect virtually all of them could. There was absolutely no correspondence with the lower leagues which just underlines the contempt Doncaster and his crew have for them.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Shadwell Dog

[Newbornbairn]

Women's football spokesperson making a good point that clubs should be allowed to continue training if they can afford testing and abide by Covid procedures. 

[Shadwell Dog]

3 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

Women's football spokesperson making a good point that clubs should be allowed to continue training if they can afford testing and abide by Covid procedures. 

Of course they should but it's not been thought out at all. It's been a panic how can we placate the government after Celtics feck up. I know we'll shut down all the lower leagues as noone really gives a feck what happens to them emphasised by the complete lack of engagement before doing it.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Shadwell Dog

[bairn88]

18 minutes ago, foreverarover said:

On 11/01/2021 at 12:07, bairn88 said:

Knew this would get the holier than thou, zero riskers out in force. 
Everything we do in life comes with a risk. We evaluate these risks to weigh up whether an action is worth doing or not. There has been little to no evidence that playing football outdoors causes ANY increase in transmission. Very, very strict protocols in place which I know falkirk are following extremely seriously - no car shares, different changing room spaces etc. On the other hand, football is a lifeline to a huge number of people. Warnock said it best midweek. Turn on the news, and it’s death and horribleness wherever you look. Sport provides a brilliant escape from this and is arguably necessary.
Short sighted? Definitely. Have they learnt nothing in 10 months? NOTHING will improve in 3 weeks time. Suspending the Scottish cup as well, so there’s an impossible fixture backlog? Good one lads .
I thought James Anderson granted each club money at the start of the season to test? Has that been spunked up the wall by everyone else too? I can just about understand wanting the league to be stopped until testing was in place. But an outright postponement? I do not think that is the correct decision. 
 

The money from James Anderson was used to improve infrastructure around the ground and make is safer on a daily basis. What do you think the money at falkirk would have been used for. The very same social distancing measures you talk of. This was on the cards for several weeks feel. The distribution of the government money was clearly for this scenario to take place. All football under the top flight should be cancelled. Alloa and arbroath are mainly part time. Just finish the top league and have reconstruction for next year, bringing in the lowland league and Highland clubs as should have happened this season.

“The distribution of the government money was clearly for this scenario to take place”. Why, then, have we received less than a third than that of alloa or arbroath? We can’t trade, we can’t make any money, whilst alloa and arbroath can? That is simply not right. If you are going to shut down some levels and not others, giving more money to those still taking income in every week through online ticket sales, 50/50 draws, tv money etc is fucking disgusting. 

20 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Yes - average death age is still well into the 80’s and total UK deaths in under 60’s is still only around 400.

This is total bollocks. 

[lanky_ffc]

5 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

Women's football spokesperson making a good point that clubs should be allowed to continue training if they can afford testing and abide by Covid procedures. 

We don't appear to do much in training so it would be money down the drain. 

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Imagine the government had only shut down restaurants depending on whether they produced decent food and could afford testing.

Well no, restaurants get shut down if they can't control the mixing of the public/staff and may spread the virus. Sort of like part time clubs. Restaurants are allowed to continue delivering takeaways because every driver is tracked, and there's no mingling between the driver and customer. Like full time clubs. 

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How could league one and two not survive through weekly testing? If stenhousemuir can then I'd expect virtually all of them could. There was absolutely no correspondence with the lower leagues which just underlines the contempt Doncaster and his crew have for them.

McMenamy tried to claim because there was no positive tests in the bottom two tiers, it meant there was no chance of part time players spreading the virus, and having part time players travelling around the country playing each other, then mingling with the public during the week, wasn't a risk.

Surely even you are aware part time players havent been tested, so surely you must understand how fucking stupid that is?

Cases are rising and Scottish hospitals are starting to struggle at the Borders. Part time players crossing into different counties then working with the public during the week is an unnecessary risk of spreading the virus, so the major part time divisions have been shut down. Alloa/Arbroath now have to pay for testing every week to avoid that, because they represent such a small number that's fine.

40 is a lot smaller than 340.

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

“The distribution of the government money was clearly for this scenario to take place”. Why, then, have we received less than a third than that of alloa or arbroath? We can’t trade, we can’t make any money, whilst alloa and arbroath can? That is simply not right. If you are going to shut down some levels and not others, giving more money to those still taking income in every week through online ticket sales, 50/50 draws, tv money etc is fucking disgusting. 

This is total bollocks. 

As Partick stated the whole thing has been a shambles from the beginning.  Testing should've been part of the minimum requirements for all pro clubs from day one. When clubs were asked if they could get through the season it should've been made plain at that point that testing was a necessary requirement.  You then find out which clubs can get through the season and structure it round that so there is minimum chance of the leagues having to stop early.  You then ensure that any club able to play is playing instead of having to shut down unnecessarily like we have just now.

[HoBNob]

8 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

Women's football spokesperson making a good point that clubs should be allowed to continue training if they can afford testing and abide by Covid procedures. 

I might be wrong, infact I most likely am. 

But with football being suspended does it not then allow clubs to furlough players and save money? 

[Shadwell Dog]

10 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Well no, restaurants get shut down if they can't control the mixing of the public/staff and may spread the virus. Sort of like part time clubs. Restaurants are allowed to continue delivering takeaways because every driver is tracked, and there's no mingling between the driver and customer. Like full time clubs. 

McMenamy tried to claim because there was no positive tests in the bottom two tiers, it meant there was no chance of part time players spreading the virus, and having part time players travelling around the country playing each other, then mingling with the public during the week, wasn't a risk.

Surely even you are aware part time players havent been tested, so surely you must understand how fucking stupid that is?

Cases are rising and Scottish hospitals are starting to struggle at the Borders. Part time players crossing into different counties then working with the public during the week is an unnecessary risk of spreading the virus, so the major part time divisions have been shut down. Alloa/Arbroath now have to pay for testing every week to avoid that, because they represent such a small number that's fine.

40 is a lot smaller than 340.

Football has been working on a takeaway basis all season. Like restaurants the workers need to go in and mix and then are sent home to mingle with whoever whilst the customer stays at home.  Some of these people could have more than one job but the govt aren't shutting down restaurants dependent on what level of food you provide like football is.

 

This could easily have been prevented if the right structure had been put in place in October. But no it was the usual shambles and now your left with clubs unable to trade as a blanket ban is put on leagues below the championship. The whole idea of the meeting in October was to prevent this happening but as usual it's ended in a complete mess.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Shadwell Dog

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, Shadwell Dog said:

This could easily have been prevented if the right structure had been put in place in October. 

The lower two tiers only started because clubs were able to play without weekly testing. 

Would you have preferred it if 17 League 1/2 sides had said they couldn't play through the season and you'd been forcibly mothballed for this season? 

Unless youre away to claim it would be fairer to just promote Falkirk for no other reason than them being a full time club of course. I bet you genuinely believe Falkirk and Partick should take Alloa and Arbroaths Championship places this season.

[Shadwell Dog]

10 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

The lower two tiers only started because clubs were able to play without weekly testing. 

Would you have preferred it if 17 League 1/2 sides had said they couldn't play through the season and you'd been forcibly mothballed for this season? 

Unless youre away to claim it would be fairer to just promote Falkirk for no other reason than them being a full time club of course. I bet you genuinely believe Falkirk and Partick should take Alloa and Arbroaths Championship places this season.

We're back on sporting performance here. To me that should be at the bottom of the pile when it comes to basing things on how we get a season played out during a global pandemic.  

Anyone that can meet the requirements shouldve been able to participate but the requirements clearly haven't been robust enough or we wouldn't suddenly be stopping the leagues. Why would Arbroath and alloa have to be replaced by anyone? They are able to meet the rules on testing so are being allowed to continue and if the structure had been set up correctly in October so should other clubs but instead we are shutting down clubs who clearly have the means to continue trading but are now not able to. 

That was why the question was asked back in October so that the league could put the correct structure in place to allow those teams able  to play and complete a 27 game season.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Shadwell Dog

[Guest Ecosse83]

13 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

The lower two tiers only started because clubs were able to play without weekly testing. 

Would you have preferred it if 17 League 1/2 sides had said they couldn't play through the season and you'd been forcibly mothballed for this season? 

Unless youre away to claim it would be fairer to just promote Falkirk for no other reason than them being a full time club of course. I bet you genuinely believe Falkirk and Partick should take Alloa and Arbroaths Championship places this season.

You need to get a bird!

[roman_bairn]

Football has been working on a takeaway basis all season. Like restaurants the workers need to go in and mix and then are sent home to mingle with whoever whilst the customer stays at home.  Some of these people could have more than one job but the govt aren't shutting down restaurants dependent on what level of food you provide like football is.
 
This could easily have been prevented if the right structure had been put in place in October. But no it was the usual shambles and now your left with clubs unable to trade as a blanket ban is put on leagues below the championship. The whole idea of the meeting in October was to prevent this happening but as usual it's ended in a complete mess.

You do actually realise that this is a fast changing situation and a lot of the decisions being made now would not have been necessary but for the highly infectious mutation? It’s also a completely new scenario that no one has ever had to deal with previously.
It’s easy to moan about everything but let’s have a bit of balance here...

[Ranaldo Bairn]

4 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

You do actually realise that this is a fast changing situation and a lot of the decisions being made now would not have been necessary but for the highly infectious mutation? It’s also a completely new scenario that no one has ever had to deal with previously.
It’s easy to moan about everything but let’s have a bit of balance here...

You forget: everything is a "farce", "shambles", "laughing stock" and "clusterfukk". Those in charge are "corrupt to the core" whatever they do.

[Shadwell Dog]

9 minutes ago, roman_bairn said:

You do actually realise that this is a fast changing situation and a lot of the decisions being made now would not have been necessary but for the highly infectious mutation? It’s also a completely new scenario that no one has ever had to deal with previously.
It’s easy to moan about everything but let’s have a bit of balance here...

Starting the season with no testing requirements to me has been ridiculous from the start no matter whether new mutations had occurred or not. If the situation is that bad then shut the lot down as lives should be far more important than TV money and I'd understand completely instead of this half arsed attempt to both placate the govt and keep a few overspending clubs in business.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Shadwell Dog

[RandomGuy.]

23 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said:

You need to get a bird!

I'm married m8, not quite sure what relevance that has though.