The Falkirk FC Thread

[SirJimmyofNic]

7 minutes ago, Ecosse83 said:

What position is that? Begging for promotion saying we would support reconstruction?

More than fecking likely

[Shadwell Dog]

8 minutes ago, AndyDD said:

Aye, he seems to be a prat. 

That's ultimately irrelevant though, isn't it, because him sticking by his initial claim rather than changing his mind would have made absolutely zero fucking difference to the vote. The top flight clubs weren't having Ann Budge's rushed through reconstruction, even after Neil Doncaster asked them to pretty please consider it. 

licking ones lips over Raith being cited as respondents by Hearts and Thistle in a dispute they had with the SPFL is moonhowler stuff. They cited Dundee united, raith and cove, but funnily enough didn't cite Celtic. Weird, that. 

Falkirk fans only give a f**k because they hadn't managed to catch Raith and because 14-10-10-10 would have promoted them from a playoff position. It's transparent and cringey as f**k. 

It was hardly rushed through. The 14 10 10 10 was mentioned at the outset and had very few negatives if any. Raith backed it at the very start when making it clear to all and sundry that only them being promoted as champions would ever be accepted.  He even said at the time that hopefully falkirk will be promoted  alongside raith via reconstruction to a 14 10 10 10 league.  The fact that he was actually lying through his back teeth means he won't get any sympathy from falkirk but at the end of the day if raith goes bust its nowt to do with anything we've done but will be seen very much as karma to a lot of falkirk fans. Time to look after our own interests as that's all anyone else is doing these days.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Shadwell Dog

[Marshmallo]

19 minutes ago, SirJimmyofNic said:

Some of you Falkirk supporters need to realise that for the sake of one point, this would have been you in this position

Have a nice day

Aye my heart bleeds for Raith - promoted, with access to increased prize money.

[SirJimmyofNic]

1 minute ago, Marshmallo said:

Aye my heart bleeds for Raith - promoted, with access to increased prize money.

No if Budgie gets her way unfortunately, it'll be dry toast for all if us 

[Shadwell Dog]

4 minutes ago, SirJimmyofNic said:

No if Budgie gets her way unfortunately, it'll be dry toast for all if us 

Hardly,I'm sure we'll cope without the 110k if we have to. 

[AL-FFC]

4 minutes ago, AndyDD said:

Aye, he seems to be a prat. 

That's ultimately irrelevant though, isn't it, because him sticking by his initial claim rather than changing his mind would have made absolutely zero fucking difference to the vote. The top flight clubs weren't having Ann Budge's rushed through reconstruction, even after Neil Doncaster asked them to pretty please consider it. 

licking ones lips over Raith being cited as respondents by Hearts and Thistle in a dispute they had with the SPFL is moonhowler stuff. They cited Dundee united, raith and cove, but funnily enough didn't cite Celtic. Weird, that. 

Falkirk fans only give a f**k because they hadn't managed to catch Raith and because 14-10-10-10 would have promoted them from a playoff position. It's transparent and cringey as f**k. 

Because if the league was null and void it wouldnt have affected Celtic in fact no one would have been unfairly treated no one wins.  Yes its shit you went through a league campaign with no reward at the end of it but its not like anyone ordered up a global pandemic to bring the world to its knees.

The SPFL couldnt have done the court case alone they needed someone else hence RR, DU and Cove getting dragged into it to defend their positions. Even the files relating to the vote they didnt want to disclose as it would show what monies were paid and deals done by the SPFL not to mention what went on in the background.

The thing thats aggrieving most people is the fact aye they got promoted as Marshmallo says they have increased prize money, They furloughed players but didnt top up the players salaries to their proper amount yet had the crowdfunding to help the club (I dont begrudge anyone helping out their club) and now they want the rest of the teams to pay for or donate to their legal case. Theres self interest and taking the piss and that is taking the piss. 

Like i said earlier the clubs together had a bargaining chip to get genuine reconstruction on the table but the goalposts changed for raith the minute they got promoted so why would they help any other club out with voting for reconstuction.

 

[Marshmallo]

Raith and others should look at these legal fees as a cost of being promoted. I'm sure if you'd asked them if they'd be willing to pay 50k to guarantee promotion when the league was called they'd have taken it.

[AndyDD]

6 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

It was hardly rushed through. The 14 10 10 10 was mentioned at the outset and had very few negatives if any. Raith backed it at the very start when making it clear to all and sundry that only them being promoted as champions would ever be accepted.  He even said at the time that hopefully falkirk will be promoted  alongside raith via reconstruction to a 14 10 10 10 league.  The fact that he was actually lying through his back teeth means he won't get any sympathy from falkirk but at the end of the day if raith goes bust its nowt to do with anything we've done but will be seen very much as karma to a lot of falkirk fans. Time to look after our own interests as that's all anyone else is doing these days.

 

What are you talking about? Of course it was rushed through. The SPFL asked clubs to consider it on the 10th of June. Being mentioned by fans and Jim McInally is one thing, but 14-10-10-10 was first put to the member clubs on the 10th of Jun, with barely any, if any at all, prior consultations done with the other member clubs to see how they'd feel about it. This is long after Ann Budge’s reconstruction proposal of 3 14s had been rejected and even longer after the reconstruction committee the SPFL set up, with hearts at the head, ended without having put any agreed proposal forward in the first place.

The fact any falkirk fan seems to feel it is Raith Rovers who have stopped them coming up, beyond simply due to having done better up to that point in the season, speaks volumes. Had he kept his word, the raith chairman voting for 14-10-10-10 to rescue Falkirk from League 1 would have made sweet f**k all difference because it would have meant 17 voted for it rather than 16. 

The suggestion that Falkirk have until now been more concerned with the interests of other clubs than their own is also hilarious. What a riddy of a claim that is. 

[Marshmallo]

Just now, AndyDD said:

 

The fact any falkirk fan seems to feel it is Raith Rovers who have stopped them coming up, beyond simply due to having done better up to that point in the season, speaks volumes. 

The reason Falkirk are in this shit heap of a league again next season is due to repeated failures by owners, board and managers of Falkirk over a period of years.

[AndyDD]

Just now, Marshmallo said:

The reason Falkirk are in this shit heap of a league again next season is due to repeated failures by owners, board and managers of Falkirk over a period of years.

Correct. 

And yet one falkirk fan said ' if raith goes bust its nowt to do with anything we've done but will be seen very much as karma to a lot of falkirk fans. ' Karma? Really? For what? Not changing the losing vote for reconstruction from 16 to 17? 

[R.R.FC]

5 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

It was hardly rushed through. The 14 10 10 10 was mentioned at the outset and had very few negatives if any. Raith backed it at the very start when making it clear to all and sundry that only them being promoted as champions would ever be accepted.  He even said at the time that hopefully falkirk will be promoted  alongside raith via reconstruction to a 14 10 10 10 league.  The fact that he was actually lying through his back teeth means he won't get any sympathy from falkirk but at the end of the day if raith goes bust its nowt to do with anything we've done but will be seen very much as karma to a lot of falkirk fans. Time to look after our own interests as that's all anyone else is doing these days.

I’ve already mentioned on our thread I think it was poor from us not to vote in favour of reconstruction after our very public stance and a lot of Rovers fans are in agreement on that.

However, as you said the 14-10-10-10 had very few negatives and was mentioned from the outset. Why was it then the last proposal put to the clubs? Also, when you take away the clubs that stood to benefit from that proposal only slightly over 25% of the remaining clubs voted in favour.

We should still have voted in favour given our previous stance but our vote had no impact on the result. Also given how few teams voted in favour suggests that there was a lot more to it behind the scenes. Budge killed any chance of reconstruction on the first day of being put on the committee stating her aim was temporary reconstruction for a year. Effectively just to save Hearts and to hell with any real change or thoughts about the following season and multiple relegations, it never really got off the ground after that. It should have been an open format with all teams contributing rather than the head of the committee telling the papers what she was pushing before the group had even had their first meeting.

[Shadwell Dog]

Just now, AndyDD said:

Correct. 

And yet one falkirk fan said ' if raith goes bust its nowt to do with anything we've done but will be seen very much as karma to a lot of falkirk fans. ' Karma? Really? For what? Not changing the losing vote for reconstruction from 16 to 17? 

Why the feck should we have any sympathy for raith ffs? Whether it was going to make a difference in the vote means feck all after his faux sympathy for us when they were handed the league.  They're the ones pleading for cash after letting all and sundry know that they would only accept raith being declared champions and promoted and nothing else. Well they've got that maybe so its up to them to cope fund the consequences and not everyone else in the league.

[Ludo*1]

Just now, Shadwell Dog said:

Why the feck should we have any sympathy for raith ffs? Whether it was going to make a difference in the vote means feck all after his faux sympathy for us when they were handed the league.  They're the ones pleading for cash after letting all and sundry know that they would only accept raith being declared champions and promoted and nothing else. Well they've got that maybe so its up to them to cope fund the consequences and not everyone else in the league.

There's a substantial difference between laughing and gloating about being handed a league and wanting a club to go bust.

[AndyDD]

8 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Because if the league was null and void it wouldnt have affected Celtic in fact no one would have been unfairly treated no one wins.  Yes its shit you went through a league campaign with no reward at the end of it but its not like anyone ordered up a global pandemic to bring the world to its knees.

The SPFL couldnt have done the court case alone they needed someone else hence RR, DU and Cove getting dragged into it to defend their positions. Even the files relating to the vote they didnt want to disclose as it would show what monies were paid and deals done by the SPFL not to mention what went on in the background.

The thing thats aggrieving most people is the fact aye they got promoted as Marshmallo says they have increased prize money, They furloughed players but didnt top up the players salaries to their proper amount yet had the crowdfunding to help the club (I dont begrudge anyone helping out their club) and now they want the rest of the teams to pay for or donate to their legal case. Theres self interest and taking the piss and that is taking the piss. 

Like i said earlier the clubs together had a bargaining chip to get genuine reconstruction on the table but the goalposts changed for raith the minute they got promoted so why would they help any other club out with voting for reconstuction.

 

Hearts and Partick are not asking for null and void in their legal case though, are they? 

Nobody would have been treated unfairly in a null and void scenario? Tell that to Dundee United and Cove. That that to Celtic, Rangers, Motherwell and Aberdeen, who would then be in hot water with regards their UEFA competition entry. 

The SPFL did not need or get someone else at all, Hearts and Partick Thistle named the winners of the 3 lower leagues as respondents in their court paper. They didn’t name Celtic. It is those two clubs who dragged DU, Raith and Cove into the legal proceedings, not the SPFL or anyone else. 

I agree it is a red neck to ask other clubs to help them out at this stage, but bear in mind they are only facing any legal costs at all because they were named as respondents by Hearts and PT. Raith and Falkirk, hell the entire lower leagues, had no chance of forcing reconstruction through. The top tier weren't having it. Simple as that. 

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, R.R.FC said:

I’ve already mentioned on our thread I think it was poor from us not to vote in favour of reconstruction after our very public stance and a lot of Rovers fans are in agreement on that.

However, as you said the 14-10-10-10 had very few negatives and was mentioned from the outset. Why was it then the last proposal put to the clubs? Also, when you take away the clubs that stood to benefit from that proposal only slightly over 25% of the remaining clubs voted in favour.

We should still have voted in favour given our previous stance but our vote had no impact on the result. Also given how few teams voted in favour suggests that there was a lot more to it behind the scenes. Budge killed any chance of reconstruction on the first day of being put on the committee stating her aim was temporary reconstruction for a year. Effectively just to save Hearts and to hell with any real change or thoughts about the following season and multiple relegations, it never really got off the ground after that. It should have been an open format with all teams contributing rather than the head of the committee telling the papers what she was pushing before the group had even had their first meeting.

You don't show faux sympathy for a side  tell everyone you hope they come up with you due to reconstruction and then do exactly the opposite. Is it any wonder very little sympathy for your plight is coming from us . Your chairman couldnt have rubbed our noses in it any more if he wanted to.

[Shadwell Dog]

5 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

There's a substantial difference between laughing and gloating about being handed a league and wanting a club to go bust.

If it happens which I very much doubt it will I'm not going to shed a tear but neither will I be celebrating either because knowing our luck they'll just no relegate partick anyway.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Shadwell Dog

[falkirkthebigclub]

Scottish football combusting and an Airdrie fan just wants to talk about Falkirk.

 

Delicious.

[AndyDD]

2 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

There's a substantial difference between laughing and gloating about being handed a league and wanting a club to go bust.

Exactly. 

Not saying Falkirk fans should have sympathy for Raith and flock to their fundraiser like it was fucking Live Aid, but it is unedifying to see fans salivating over their issue, claiming going bust is 'karma' for not supporting an obviously doomed reconstruction proposal. 

[Ludo*1]

1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said:

If it happens which I very much doubt it will I'm not going to shed a tear but neither will I be celebrating either.

It'll be a very sad day if any club goes to the wall due to this. At the end of the day, it's not about any chairman that's voting in self interest it's about the fans that could potentially see the thing they love disappear through no fault of their own. Unless it's Cowdenbeath. f**k Cowdenbeath.

[R.R.FC]

15 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Because if the league was null and void it wouldnt have affected Celtic in fact no one would have been unfairly treated no one wins.  Yes its shit you went through a league campaign with no reward at the end of it but its not like anyone ordered up a global pandemic to bring the world to its knees.

Wait, what!? Am I reading that right? Celtic wouldn’t have complained about not winning 9 in a row despite being 13 points clear with 8 games to play? Are you sure about that? Have you ever met Old Firm fans? No way they’d let their club just accept that. Likewise Dundee United and Cove given the points they were clear, they absolutely would have all, quite rightly, kicked up a huge fuss. 

That’s before getting into the fact if you declare the season null and void the prize money for the league would shared equally which would be a huge blow to the teams at the top end of the league.

Am I right in thinking the Dutch League is the only league in Europe which was declared null and void? All others used the current standings as final or played to a finish. And even then in the Netherlands more teams voted in favour of PPG than null and void but the league took their own decision.