vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 If you had been honest enough to include the word "direct" in your initial post, we wouldn't be arguing. Your failure to do so makes what you said wrong. Whether that was what you meant is irrelevant. No, you're just too idiotic/selectively myopic to see that direct power and the system of governance is entirely seperate from budgetary constraints. It is simply not the case that decisions are 'relegated' in any tiered/layered structure from Westminster to Holyrood with consultation at both levels. That would be an unnecessary layering of government and wasteage. The SP is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Come on Reynard, you can do better than that! You've gone all Dickson today. There really isnt much more that can be said about the current format of the EU other than that our continuing membership of it is a fucking disaster for this country. To be honest there really isn't much more constructive to be said about that vile outfit other than we need to get the f**k out of it. And I have stood against it since before you were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 And I have stood against it since before you were born. And lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 And lost. Maybe so. I guess our politicians have consistently stuck two fingers up at us plebs who would be out of it like a shot given a chance. But then autocratic lefties like yourself don't really like to give folk their say. At least we had the sense not to join the ridiculous Euro project. That was a mini win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 But then autocratic lefties like yourself don't really like to give folk their say. 'Stalin and Mao were left-wing you know' Daily Mail troll in three, two, one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 No, you're just too idiotic/selectively myopic to see that direct power and the system of governance is entirely seperate from budgetary constraints. It is simply not the case that decisions are 'relegated' in any tiered/layered structure from Westminster to Holyrood with consultation at both levels. That would be an unnecessary layering of government and wasteage. The SP is not. This tactic of ignoring what's actually posted, attributing a view to a poster that they didn't express, then knocking it down, seems to be a familiar feature of your posting. It's almost as though you were taking apart bales of hay and weaving it into a manikin. Say it isn't so? I did NOT at any point say that direct power was the same as budgetary constraints. I did NOT at any point say that decisions were "relegated" in a tiered or layered structure from Westminster to Holyrood with dual level consultation. I did NOT at any point say that it was a layering of government (I specifically distinguished government from bureaucracy, of which there is a layer surplus to requirement). What I challenged was your assertion that spending decisions made at Westminster had "no bearing on the Scottish system whatsoever" which is palpably false. Your subsequent attempts to shoehorn in "administrative" but more crucially "direct" is an admission that your original submission was incorrect. That is why it was perfectly legitimate for me to raise the Barnett Formula, since clearly any decision that affects the block grant has an effect on the decisions made about and the funding structure of the corresponding Scottish public service. That it's not "direct" is completely irrelevant (and we could dance on the head of a pin as to exactly when something ceases to have a 'direct' effect, but let's not) because that word was completely absent from your original assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 'Stalin and Mao were left-wing you know' Daily Mail troll in three, two, one... I'm sure you have them on your bedroom wall along with your spunk splattered "Che" screenprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 This tactic of ignoring what's actually posted, attributing a view to a poster that they didn't express, then knocking it down, seems to be a familiar feature of your posting. It's almost as though you were taking apart bales of hay and weaving it into a manikin. Say it isn't so? Don't kid yourself into thinking I care even the tiniest bit for your in-depth observations on my posting manner. What I challenged was your assertion that spending decisions made at Westminster had "no bearing on the Scottish system whatsoever" which is palpably false. Durr, that isn't a case in point of layered government though. Health decisions made at Westminster do not apply to Scotland. They are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I'm sure you have them on your bedroom wall along with your spunk splattered "Che" screenprint. Not the first time you've been wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Durr, that isn't a case in point of layered government though. Health decisions made at Westminster do not apply to Scotland. They are irrelevant. Which I wasn't challenging, Quasimodo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 And I have stood against it since before you were born. I can imagine you in the 1930s..."so, what do you think of that Hitler chap young Reynard?" "Him? Just another socialist leftie, just like Mussolini". I'm not criticising your views, just that you seem to have reverted to just describing everything as socialist...its all a bit Law Stud and not to your usual standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Not the first time you've been wrong. That's difficult for me to accept. I'm really gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Which I wasn't challenging, Quasimodo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I can imagine you in the 1930s..."so, what do you think of that Hitler chap young Reynard?" "Him? Just another socialist leftie, just like Mussolini". I'm not criticising your views, just that you seem to have reverted to just describing everything as socialist...its all a bit Law Stud and not to your usual standards! Law Stud is a fucking socialist. Didn't you see his scores on the Political Compass? Wasn't even +7 on economics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I can imagine you in the 1930s..."so, what do you think of that Hitler chap young Reynard?" "Him? Just another socialist leftie, just like Mussolini". I'm not criticising your views, just that you seem to have reverted to just describing everything as socialist...its all a bit Law Stud and not to your usual standards! I've been like this since about 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 vikingTON dresses up extra smartly for the Greenock Ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Law Stud is a fucking socialist. Didn't you see his scores on the Political Compass? Wasn't even +7 on economics... He's a commie. He needs to be taken outside and shot through the bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ah, I was wrong about what you had on your bedroom wall then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ah, I was wrong about what you had on your bedroom wall then? I'm a Champagne Socialist icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Ah, I was wrong about what you had on your bedroom wall then? I'm not terribly keen on having nightmares so I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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