Unpopular opinions.

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, GordonS said:

While I'm here it might be the place to say that Viking-Ton is the reason I don't go on the depression thread. 

I should clarify this a little.

Viking-TON and members like him are why I don't go on the depression thread. I'm impressed with those who can share and seek support on a message board while hateful, abusive, ignorant hypocrites are doling out snide comments, but I couldn't do it. Those guys seem pretty damaged to me, to be so lacking in empathy and compassion, so emotionally stunted, but nobody can help them confront their problems until they want to. 

I don't know if that counts as an unpopular opinion but it certainly didn't go down well with some here. 

[Jacksgranda]

2 minutes ago, GordonS said:

I should clarify this a little.

Viking-TON and members like him are why I don't go on the depression thread. I'm impressed with those who can share and seek support on a message board while hateful, abusive, ignorant hypocrites are doling out snide comments, but I couldn't do it. Those guys seem pretty damaged to me, to be so lacking in empathy and compassion, so emotionally stunted, but nobody can help them confront their problems until they want to. 

I don't know if that counts as an unpopular opinion but it certainly didn't go down well with some here. 

You must be reading a different depression thread from me - I don't recognise that scenario. (I've seen the odd flippant/nasty comment but whoever posts it is roundly castigated, and usually scuttles away with their tail between their legs.)

[Honest_Man#1]

5 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

You must be reading a different depression thread from me - I don't recognise that scenario. (I've seen the odd flippant/nasty comment but whoever posts it is roundly castigated, and usually scuttles away with their tail between their legs.)

Yes I’ve only ever seen the depression thread as a vehicle for support. No idea how he’s managed to get that impression. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a VT post in there specifically, but may have missed them.

[Jacksgranda]

Just now, Honest_Man#1 said:

Yes I’ve only ever seen the depression thread as a vehicle for support. No idea how he’s managed to get that impression. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a VT post in there specifically, but may have missed them.

Me, too, although I must admit I haven't read the thread from start to finish.

[invergowrie arab]

41 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

Nothing is wrong with it in some cases.

 

So when is it wrong?

You hold the view that doctors medicate too readily. For what conditions, or using which medications are these not the most suitable interventions?

Medication for mental health is everything from fluoxetine to slow the reabsorption of serotonin to anti-phsycotic meds.

I'm presuming your man thinks SSRIs are too readily dished out. Firstly I'm not aware of any GP that dishes out SSRIs without advising patients to also do things like exercise, socialise, cut down on mood altering substances, consider CBT etc 

Secondly CBT and talking therapies are also offered by GPs you don't need a referral from a mental health specialist.

I suspect your podcaster knows precisely nothing about the scope and scale of mental illness/mental health conditions, what is used to treat what and the efficacy of each intervention.

Exercise more can be filed alongside live, laugh love as mental health advice.

FWIW a year of fluoxetine took me from a place of constant anxiety and suicidal thoughts to gradually being able to rationalise those thoughts, plan for the future and ,yes, start exercising (it's true its really good for your mental health !!)

The idea that's its one or the other is bullshit though.

[ICTChris]

This article is intersting about long term trends of anti-depressant use.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/10/four-million-people-in-england-are-long-term-users-of-antidepressants

Quote

 

Scott Weich, a professor of mental health at the University of Sheffield, said the tendency to prescribe antidepressants seems to have gone in phases over recent decades.

“Professionals may be becoming slightly less certain about the benefits of antidepressants [for mild depression], and patients themselves may be declining medication,” he said. Weich noted other reasons might be that individuals are finding it increasingly difficult to access GP services to discuss mental health issues, or that the issues are not discussed due to time constraints or other pressures. On the other hand, he said, it could in part reflect the rise in so-called “talking therapies” like CBT.

“There might be a good news story here that more people are getting psychological treatments and not needing antidepressants,” said Weich, adding that there has also been a rise in awareness of the benefits of exercise and other social measures for tackling depression.

 

So it could be that there isn't a trend to just dole out anti-depressants to people feeling a bit down, that in fact the opposite is true. 

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

44 minutes ago, GordonS said:

I should clarify this a little.

Viking-TON and members like him are why I don't go on the depression thread. I'm impressed with those who can share and seek support on a message board while hateful, abusive, ignorant hypocrites are doling out snide comments, but I couldn't do it. Those guys seem pretty damaged to me, to be so lacking in empathy and compassion, so emotionally stunted, but nobody can help them confront their problems until they want to. 

I don't know if that counts as an unpopular opinion but it certainly didn't go down well with some here. 

[vikingTON]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

Gormless Gordon getting up on his soapbox based on a complete non-sequitur: house! 

 

45 minutes ago, GordonS said:

I should clarify this a little.

Viking-TON and members like him are why I don't go on the depression thread. I'm impressed with those who can share and seek support on a message board while hateful, abusive, ignorant hypocrites are doling out snide comments, but I couldn't do it. Those guys seem pretty damaged to me, to be so lacking in empathy and compassion, so emotionally stunted, but nobody can help them confront their problems until they want to. 

I don't know if that counts as an unpopular opinion but it certainly didn't go down well with some here. 

Full house!

FWIW I don't think I've ever posted on the Depression thread because a) I have no personal experience of that issue and so b) have very little interest in that specific discussion. Yet Gormless Gordon claims that he avoids that thread based on the non-existent presence of my posts (which he couldn't see anyway because he's definitely using that ignore function), as well as others like him in an attempt to cover his idiocy, which has backfired as well. You hate to see it happen. 

I'll be offering holiday lets in his head all summer. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, 19QOS19 said:

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Are you saying that because professional sports people can do it every body should?

I read that post as professional athletes are among the fittest in our society and even they suffer with depression so it's not as simple as saying exercise will 'cure' depression.

I hope so.

[Aufc]

I should clarify this a little.
Viking-TON and members like him are why I don't go on the depression thread. I'm impressed with those who can share and seek support on a message board while hateful, abusive, ignorant hypocrites are doling out snide comments, but I couldn't do it. Those guys seem pretty damaged to me, to be so lacking in empathy and compassion, so emotionally stunted, but nobody can help them confront their problems until they want to. 
I don't know if that counts as an unpopular opinion but it certainly didn't go down well with some here. [emoji848]

As mentioned, I don’t think I have ever seen any negative shit in that thread. Actually the only time I have seen anything negative is when some guy split up with his mrs of about two weeks and said he was completely depressed.

[scottsdad]

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Are you saying that because professional sports people can do it every body should?

No, that's not what I'm saying. A statement was made that hinted that if depressed people got some exercise, they would no longer be depressed. I'm saying that this isn't the case. You can have all the exercise in the world and still have depression.

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

No, that's not what I'm saying. A statement was made that hinted that if depressed people got some exercise, they would no longer be depressed. I'm saying that this isn't the case. You can have all the exercise in the world and still have depression.

Fair enough.

[Aufc]

No, that's not what I'm saying. A statement was made that hinted that if depressed people got some exercise, they would no longer be depressed. I'm saying that this isn't the case. You can have all the exercise in the world and still have depression.

I suggested that in some cases where someone was feeling down/depressed then if they got some structure and got some exercise then it would very likely help their mental state. I didn’t say it would mean they are no longer depressed. Also, it was really about someone who is depressed because they are overweight.

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, Aufc said:

 

I suggested that in some cases where someone was feeling down/depressed then if they got some structure and got some exercise then it would very likely help their mental state. I didn’t say it would mean they are no longer depressed. Also, it was really about someone who is depressed because they are overweight.

 

Fat people are jolly. Like Santa, or the go compare man. 

[scottsdad]

7 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I suggested that in some cases where someone was feeling down/depressed then if they got some structure and got some exercise then it would very likely help their mental state. I didn’t say it would mean they are no longer depressed. Also, it was really about someone who is depressed because they are overweight.

 

I was quoting something GordonS said, not anything you said. Exercise can indeed help people's wellbeing. But it isn't a cure for depression.

[Shotgun]

1 hour ago, Aufc said:

I suggested that in some cases where someone was feeling down/depressed then if they got some structure and got some exercise then it would very likely help their mental state. I didn’t say it would mean they are no longer depressed. Also, it was really about someone who is depressed because they are overweight.

Bull fucking shit.

Here's your original post.

On 24/06/2021 at 00:50, Aufc said:

I would imagine this is a very unpopular opinion but it is borne off a podcast i listened to. I found myself agreeing with some of the what the guy said.

Essentially, it was a around depression and the guy was saying we need to stop telling people that it is a disease that can’t be fixed. He said we need to move away from this and stop telling people it’s not their fault and we should start telling people that if they work hard then they can feel better. We need to stop automatically putting people on pills and tell them to start exercising as it is proven to make people feel better.

In one short paragraph you told us:
1, The podcast was around depression.
2. We need to stop telling people that it is a disease that can't be fixed.
3. We need to move away from this and stop telling people it's not their fault.
4. We should start telling people that if they work hard they can feel better.
5. We need to stop automatically putting people on pills and tell them to start exercising.

Nothing there whatsoever to indicate you were referring to overweight people, or people "feeling down". Your meaning was quite clear and you only started claiming you were talking about something else AFTER you were called on your crap.

Oh, and any sentence which begins with "We need to..." is not a suggestion.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Shotgun

[GordonS]

2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

You must be reading a different depression thread from me - I don't recognise that scenario. (I've seen the odd flippant/nasty comment but whoever posts it is roundly castigated, and usually scuttles away with their tail between their legs.)

Sorry, I don't mean they're doing it on there. I've seen some do it on other threads to folk that have posted on there.

Would you share your most difficult experiences with folk in a pub within earshot of people who regularly let you know that they can't stand you, knowing someday they'll probably use it against you? Or that have said don't believe depression is a medical condition?

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, GordonS said:

Sorry, I don't mean they're doing it on there. I've seen some do it on other threads to folk that have posted on there.

 

3 hours ago, GordonS said:

I should clarify this a little.

Viking-TON and members like him are why I don't go on the depression thread. 

 

5 hours ago, GordonS said:

While I'm here it might be the place to say that Viking-Ton is the reason I don't go on the depression thread. 

A Friday afternoon truly well spent by Gormless Gordon, shifting the goalposts so that his latest, self-righteous rap lecture will finally gain traction. 

[Distant Doonhamer]

Didn't realise you were a fan of incest, Stormfront.

Think he was only relatively interested TBF.

[HenryHill]

On 24/06/2021 at 07:50, Aufc said:

I would imagine this is a very unpopular opinion but it is borne off a podcast i listened to. I found myself agreeing with some of the what the guy said.

Essentially, it was a discussion around depression and the guy was saying we need to stop telling people that it is a disease that can’t be fixed. He said we need to move away from this and stop telling people it’s not their fault and we should start telling people that if they work hard then they can feel better. We need to stop automatically putting people on pills and tell them to start exercising as it is proven to make people feel better.
 

I was going to start ripping into this but was going to take to long. It's just a shower of shite.