welshbairn Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: He gets a lot of flak but the posh boy JRM is spot on here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47247835/jacob-rees-mogg-comments-on-concentration-camps I remember reading somewhere that black people in the camps were given half the calories of the Boers, whiney Dutch c***s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, NewBornBairn said: He gets a lot of flak but the posh boy JRM is spot on here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47247835/jacob-rees-mogg-comments-on-concentration-camps Worth posting this here that @Detournement posted elsewhere. Read the whole thread. https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1096354829662908418 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Well, yes and no. That's someone putting the worst possible interpretation on things for whatever reason of their own they may have. Concentration camps were, at the time, an accepted tactic in fighting a mobile guerilla force. The Spanish had used them in Cuba before the Brits and the Americans before that against the Native Americans. Where a guerilla army lives off the land, stealing from farmsteads and threatening small villages to give them supplies and shelter, it makes sense to deny them that by concentrating the civilian population in guarded settlements and burning down the villages and fields. This also means any civilians sympathetic to the guerillas can't help them even if they want to. The deaths in concentration camps were primarily due to malnutrition and disease, caused by the complete inabiity of the British to maintain decent logistics. But this applied to the British Army too - 21000 soldiers died in the Boer War, about 8000 to enemy action and 13000 to malnutrition and disease - the same things killing civilians in the camps, dysentery and typhoid. Typhoid was common in the UK, caused by poor hygiene it was what killed Prince Albert. Victorian Britain was shockingly bad at looking after large numbers of people concentrated in small spaces, but it wasn't due to any malign intent, just incompetence and ignorance of the causes of diseases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 13 hours ago, NewBornBairn said: Well, yes and no. That's someone putting the worst possible interpretation on things for whatever reason of their own they may have. Concentration camps were, at the time, an accepted tactic in fighting a mobile guerilla force. The Spanish had used them in Cuba before the Brits and the Americans before that against the Native Americans. Where a guerilla army lives off the land, stealing from farmsteads and threatening small villages to give them supplies and shelter, it makes sense to deny them that by concentrating the civilian population in guarded settlements and burning down the villages and fields. This also means any civilians sympathetic to the guerillas can't help them even if they want to. The deaths in concentration camps were primarily due to malnutrition and disease, caused by the complete inabiity of the British to maintain decent logistics. But this applied to the British Army too - 21000 soldiers died in the Boer War, about 8000 to enemy action and 13000 to malnutrition and disease - the same things killing civilians in the camps, dysentery and typhoid. Typhoid was common in the UK, caused by poor hygiene it was what killed Prince Albert. Victorian Britain was shockingly bad at looking after large numbers of people concentrated in small spaces, but it wasn't due to any malign intent, just incompetence and ignorance of the causes of diseases. I don’t really know what point JRM is making though? Just that those concentration camps weren’t as bad as the Nazi ones? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: I don’t really know what point JRM is making though? Just that those concentration camps weren’t as bad as the Nazi ones? That living in Glasgow was just as bad. I'm sure things have improved though. Edited February 16, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ2 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Well, yes and no. That's someone putting the worst possible interpretation on things for whatever reason of their own they may have.Aye, concentration probably weren’t that bad... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: I don’t really know what point JRM is making though? Just that those concentration camps weren’t as bad as the Nazi ones? Haven't seen the whole thing but he seemed to be reacting to the woman beside him who was saying Britain invented concentration camps and they were set up to kill people - both false and part of a touchstone for some political types who want to draw a connection with British right of centre politicians and Nazis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 Concentration camps eh? A great bunch of camps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMusic Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 00:10, tongue_tied_danny said: Every single person with the name "Rob" is an absolute fucking melt. "Rog" is even worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Ferrino Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Concentration camps eh? A great bunch of camps. Gays were sent there, but..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshbairn Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 On 15/02/2019 at 15:44, NewBornBairn said: He gets a lot of flak but the posh boy JRM is spot on here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-47247835/jacob-rees-mogg-comments-on-concentration-camps Quote The usual measurement is of deaths per 100,000 population, and on that measurement camp deaths were an astronomical 24,000/100,000 – more than 10 times that of Glasgow at the time, at 2,124/100,000. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17438410.is-rees-moggs-claim-that-the-death-rate-in-glasgow-was-the-same-as-boer-war-concentration-camps-true/?ref=mr&lp=3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Rees Mogg is never, NEVER, spot on. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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