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22 hours ago, Hand As Porn said:

Roughly £7billion raised each year in the UK for charity. Roughly 31 million taxpayers. This equates to roughly £310 per head, per year. Why not just pay £26pm each more in tax so we don't have to suffer people wanting sponsored for growing a beard, walking round a park in a onesie etc? 

Good in theory, but the goverment would spend the extra money on other things, like more railways for London and nuclear weapons. Even if they did spend it on homelessness, the fannies would just raise awareness/funds for other things.

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On 11/16/2018 at 16:51, virginton said:

What do you mean by both ‘state-mandated charity’

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On 11/16/2018 at 11:52, Hand As Porn said:

Roughly £7billion raised each year in the UK for charity. Roughly 31 million taxpayers. This equates to roughly £310 per head, per year. Why not just pay £26pm each more in tax

 

On 11/16/2018 at 16:51, virginton said:

the ‘original point of charity’?

Something along the lines of an interaction and transaction between individuals where there's no expected reciprocation, such as an altruistic act. For example, giving food or other resources, taking in an orphan, funding a scholarship. 'original point' is ambiguous, granted.

It's a human act - if there are two humans, there can be charity. It exists separate from Charities, the Church, the State, and every other formalised collective you might want to mention.

On 11/16/2018 at 16:51, virginton said:

If enough additional taxes can help the state resolve the main causes of homelessness - which they quite obviously could - then the need of that charitable cause goes away.

How much is enough? There will always be charitable causes, and folk/groups running victimhood scams.

Perhaps if charity wasn't now so proxy-fied 'out of sight, out of mind', if individuals took more direct responsibility for for being charitable towards their brothers, neighbours, and community, homelessness for example wouldn't be as big a thing.

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On ‎18‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 05:08, banana said:

Perhaps if charity wasn't now so proxy-fied 'out of sight, out of mind', if individuals took more direct responsibility for for being charitable towards their brothers, neighbours, and community, homelessness for example wouldn't be as big a thing.

There is a correlation between countries that spend a greater % of their gross GDP on welfare and lower homelessness rates in Europe.

Perhaps if the state done its job homelessness, for example, wouldn't be as big a thing

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33 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

There is a correlation between countries that spend a greater % of their gross GDP on welfare and lower homelessness rates in Europe.

Perhaps if the state done its job homelessness, for example, wouldn't be as big a thing

Well yes, dependency on the state is one helluva drug. The state being the first port of call when looking for something to blame and for fixes to everything (including things it has a role in breaking) is understandably tempting. Counter-productive past a certain point, but tempting.

Do you have some sources for that correlation?

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