printer Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 I have to ask myself "if I was in Sky's position would I really risk it?" And it just seems to me like the damage that could be done with a positive test for a guy like Wiggins, Froome or Porte would not be worth the short term rewards from winning a couple of Tour's & some other things along the way. But what damage would actually be done to a huge corporation like Sky if one of their riders actually got caught? They'd spin it, blame/pay off the individual, and carry on making loadsa money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 But what damage would actually be done to a huge corporation like Sky if one of their riders actually got caught? They'd spin it, blame/pay off the individual, and carry on making loadsa money. Not sure about that. If a Dave Brailsford rider got caught doping it would be massive news. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 __AX-3-DOMAINES (BONASCRE), ALL-TIME TOP 100 LIST part I____8.90 km, 7.46 &, 664 m_1. Roberto Laiseka ______ ESP | 22:57 | 2001_2. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 22:59 | 2001_3. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 23:14 | 2013_4. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 23:17 | 2003_5. Haimar Zubeldia ______ ESP | 23:19 | 2003_6. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 23:22 | 2001_7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 23:24 | 2003_8. Alexandre Vinokourov__ KAZ | 23:34 | 2003_9. Ivan Basso ___________ ITA | 23:36 | 200310. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 23:40 | 200511. Ivan Basso ___________ ITA | 23:42 | 200512. Oscar Sevilla ________ ESP | 23:45 | 200113. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 23:45 | 200114. Denis Menchov ________ RUS | 23:47 | 201015. Samuel Sanchez _______ ESP | 23:47 | 201016. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 24:00 | 200517. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 24:01 | 201018. Joaquim Rodriguez ____ ESP | 24:01 | 201019. Robert Gesink ________ NED | 24:01 | 201020. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 24:01 | 2010 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 veloclinic twitter: Stage 8. Ax-3-Domaines (first 7.85 km, 8.30 %, 651 m). Chris Froome: 21 min 41 sec, 21.72 Kph, VAM; 1801 m/h, 6.37 W/kg [DrF]Human confirmed (sort of). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 how do you figure that out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Race over. Yawn yawn yawn. All too predictable. Froome could win this by a stupidly large margin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 how do you figure that out? Is 6.37 W/kg not just about within the limits of human possibility? Lance and Ulrich were push 7 W/kg to drag their heavier frames, (bearing in mind how Froome got down to his freakishly skinny 65kilos is another story), up on slower road bikes. Not saying he's not doping, just that this result cannot be used as conclusive evidence that he is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Race over. Yawn yawn yawn. All too predictable. Froome could win this by a stupidly large margin. Might be a boring run in, but didn't find todays highlights boring. Have never seen Bertie dropped like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Amazing how ordinary Contador looks now that he is clean along with everyone else, isn't it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Kimmage on today @ 26mins. http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/19/2395/06th_July_2013_-_Newstalk_Sport_Part_4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Amazing how ordinary Contador looks now that he is clean along with everyone else, isn't it. Wut? Who is clean exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Contador, unlike he used to be, obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Is 6.37 W/kg not just about within the limits of human possibility? Lance and Ulrich were push 7 W/kg to drag their heavier frames, (bearing in mind how Froome got down to his freakishly skinny 65kilos is another story), up on slower road bikes. Not saying he's not doping, just that this result cannot be used as conclusive evidence that he is. you obviously don't understand what watts per kilo means. It makes bodyweight irrelevant. Do some reading. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 __AX-3-DOMAINES (BONASCRE), ALL-TIME TOP 100 LIST part I ____8.90 km, 7.46 &, 664 m _1. Roberto Laiseka ______ ESP | 22:57 | 2001 _2. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 22:59 | 2001 _3. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 23:14 | 2013 _4. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 23:17 | 2003 _5. Haimar Zubeldia ______ ESP | 23:19 | 2003 _6. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 23:22 | 2001 _7. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 23:24 | 2003 _8. Alexandre Vinokourov__ KAZ | 23:34 | 2003 _9. Ivan Basso ___________ ITA | 23:36 | 2003 10. Lance Armstrong ______ USA | 23:40 | 2005 11. Ivan Basso ___________ ITA | 23:42 | 2005 12. Oscar Sevilla ________ ESP | 23:45 | 2001 13. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 23:45 | 2001 14. Denis Menchov ________ RUS | 23:47 | 2010 15. Samuel Sanchez _______ ESP | 23:47 | 2010 16. Jan Ullrich __________ GER | 24:00 | 2005 17. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 24:01 | 2010 18. Joaquim Rodriguez ____ ESP | 24:01 | 2010 19. Robert Gesink ________ NED | 24:01 | 2010 20. Alberto Contador _____ ESP | 24:01 | 2010 Can you find out what kind of day the riders had before these records? It might have some bearing on their performance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Contador, unlike he used to be, obviously. Doubt it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Can you find out what kind of day the riders had before these records? It might have some bearing on their performance. the 2001 stage was the 12th stage and the second high mountain stage. The day before was a rest day and the day before that was a 32km TT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Nomad Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Might be a boring run in, but didn't find todays highlights boring. Have never seen Bertie dropped like that. What I mean is all too predictable and race now finished with the time gaps that have been created. Such a shame with the route that's in front of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Although I agree it looks over, I still hold out hope as a few attacks today could still have sky struggling and someone could make up some lost time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnash Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Huge win for Froome, looks like the winner already, barring a crash or drugs revelations. Is he on drugs? I don't know - same as everyone else on this thread. But if all the top riders are, like some people would have you believe, then he's still the best by a long way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_S_A_R Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 just read david walsh's report in the sunday times. There is no mention of froome's incredible ascent time. His credibility is destroyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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