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23 minutes ago, WeAreElgin said:
4 hours ago, throbber said:


People who were affected by the Manchester attacks will have got wind of these lyrics because it’s on the news and on social media which was a likely consequence given the popularity of Eminem and the controversy of the lyrics, it’s not a case of stepping away from anything.

It's almost as if controversial lyrics that'll stir public outrage would be a good way to get people to listen to a song.

It's the modern equivalent of getting banned by the BBC

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It's a fucking great album. So many different lyrical styles exemplified across the songs. The punchlines and wordplay are brilliant. It's far, far better than anything he's put out for about 10 years. The featured artists on the first two tracks are weak, but I reckon that's the point - he immediately outplays them at their own game, and the later songs are more traditional Eminem. The lyric about Manchester is two bars out of about 1600 bars. Can't believe anyone really gives a shit.  There's an entire song dedicated to a young boy killing his step dad, and two verses humanising the Las Vegas hotel shooter, among other things and no-one cares about that.

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That's a double entendre which is two verses long. Equally describing his own fears and anxiety about performing and also the thoughts and experiences of the Las Vegas shooter. You don't often see such lyrically complex hip hop and it's usually by true legends of the game, another example being "Rewind" by Nas. I understand that not everyone appreciates hip hop, but there's a reason that people who do tend to respect Eminem.

 

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11 minutes ago, Margaret Thatcher said:

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That's a double entendre which is two verses long. Equally describing his own fears and anxiety about performing and also the thoughts and experiences of the Las Vegas shooter. You don't often see such lyrically complex hip hop and it's usually by true legends of the game, another example being "Rewind" by Nas. I understand that not everyone appreciates hip hop, but there's a reason that people who do tend to respect Eminem.

 

No epic solos then?

 

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1 hour ago, bennett said:

No epic solos then?

 

I don't get the reference, but in guessing you're commenting on the tone in my post that I sort of know what I'm talking about. I'm definitely not a huge hip hop fan, reggae is more my thing, but I would say hip hop has been around for 30+ years and - as with anything - if you get enough people involved, there will be a few genius creative people who put all their energy into it and create something that's quite difficult to emulate by the rest of the pack, and deserves respect for the hard work and thought that's gone into it. Maybe v few people on here have any appreciation for hip hop in that way, but just because you don't know what makes it special doesn't mean it isn't. 

1 hour ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Not sure what's cringier tbh, a middle-aged man making this kind of music or middle aged men defending it on the internet

I'm definitely not middle aged. I think there was a survey on here that showed the vast majority of posters are in their 20s, that includes me. As to your reference to "this kind of music", see above.

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11 hours ago, Margaret Thatcher said:

It's a fucking great album. So many different lyrical styles exemplified across the songs. The punchlines and wordplay are brilliant. It's far, far better than anything he's put out for about 10 years. The featured artists on the first two tracks are weak, but I reckon that's the point - he immediately outplays them at their own game, and the later songs are more traditional Eminem. The lyric about Manchester is two bars out of about 1600 bars. Can't believe anyone really gives a shit.  There's an entire song dedicated to a young boy killing his step dad, and two verses humanising the Las Vegas hotel shooter, among other things and no-one cares about that.

Nothing about 9/11 then? Maybe he thought that would be in bad taste.

Surprising (actually, not) how the Americans only decided that terrorism was a Bad Thing when it happened to them. The people of Boston were outraged when somebody bombed their marathon. It wasn't that long before that a lot of Boston bars were actively fund-raising for the IRA. 

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Just now, GordonD said:

Nothing about 9/11 then? Maybe he thought that would be in bad taste.

Surprising (actually, not) how the Americans only decided that terrorism was a Bad Thing when it happened to them. The people of Boston were outraged when somebody bombed their marathon. It wasn't that long before that a lot of Boston bars were actively fund-raising for the IRA. 

There is a line about 9/11 in the same song.

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Nothing about 9/11 then? Maybe he thought that would be in bad taste.
Surprising (actually, not) how the Americans only decided that terrorism was a Bad Thing when it happened to them. The people of Boston were outraged when somebody bombed their marathon. It wasn't that long before that a lot of Boston bars were actively fund-raising for the IRA. 
Holy shit there's a lot to unpick here Gordon.

Surely you're not suggesting that Islamic extremists are the same as Irish republicans back in the day? That's the type of statement that could destroy a Scottish football forum!

In terms of the Eminem lyrics - there's not much to that. It's a fairly meh reference, and I'm cataloguing it as 'nothing to see here, folks'.
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23 minutes ago, Shandon Par said:

Biggie (not that one) also rapped “blow up like the world trade”. He was referring to the first half-arsed attempt to blow it up. Or was he part of the inside job and not really dead 💥?

There's also a line in Dre's 'High Powered' from The Chronic album which says, "I drop bombs like Hiroshima" followed by a big explosion. I would argue Hiroshima was a bit worse than Manchester. 

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Holy shit there's a lot to unpick here Gordon.

Surely you're not suggesting that Islamic extremists are the same as Irish republicans back in the day? That's the type of statement that could destroy a Scottish football forum!

In terms of the Eminem lyrics - there's not much to that. It's a fairly meh reference, and I'm cataloguing it as 'nothing to see here, folks'.


Pretty much. I loved Eminem growing up. I suspect he is lucky he came to prominence in the 90’s/early 2000’s rather than now though.
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There's also a line in Dre's 'High Powered' from The Chronic album which says, "I drop bombs like Hiroshima" followed by a big explosion. I would argue Hiroshima was a bit worse than Manchester. 


Hiroshima was a long time ago and is an accepted event in history that marked the end of a war, not really a case of it being worse than Manchester but it’s certainly a far less sensitive subject to rap about in 2020.

I’m a massive fan of Eminem and think the album is great fwiw I just think he should have left that line out.
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