Who's Going To Uni?

[scottsdad]

There is one thing he says which resonates with me a little - during Covid the online provision went up loads. Videos, notes, quizzes, etc. etc. 

In one of my courses next year, I am going back to the 2019 model of delivery. Not doing that class by the "flipped classroom" any more. Videos coming down, and lectures being delivered in person rather than tutorials. 

Simple enough reasons. Students who have access to videos of core material are a bit less likely to turn up. But what I found was that students were not doing what they were supposed to. They were supposed to watch a video then come to class for a tutorial on it. They were showing up without watching the video. Just using these as a box set to prepare for the exam. 

Add to that, I was feeling more disconnected from the material. So back to the old way for one course. 

A second course is different. Students did engage well for that one so it stays as is. 

[Richey Edwards]

I have found out where I am going for the next clinical placement. I am going to a service that specialises in Eating Disorders.

I have no experience of working in that particular field and my knowledge of eating disorders is limited to what I have got from reading about them. I am aware of Anorexia Nervosa and Bulimia, their symptoms and the potential complications of them. They are awful illnesses.

If anyone knows of any good books or resources, or has any knowledge or information that would be helpful, then they would be greatly appreciated.  

[Richey Edwards]

On 08/12/2022 at 09:54, scottsdad said:

There is one thing he says which resonates with me a little - during Covid the online provision went up loads. Videos, notes, quizzes, etc. etc. 

In one of my courses next year, I am going back to the 2019 model of delivery. Not doing that class by the "flipped classroom" any more. Videos coming down, and lectures being delivered in person rather than tutorials. 

Simple enough reasons. Students who have access to videos of core material are a bit less likely to turn up. But what I found was that students were not doing what they were supposed to. They were supposed to watch a video then come to class for a tutorial on it. They were showing up without watching the video. Just using these as a box set to prepare for the exam. 

Add to that, I was feeling more disconnected from the material. So back to the old way for one course. 

A second course is different. Students did engage well for that one so it stays as is. 

I don't know what platform your university uses for hosting the learning materials, but my lecturers can see who has accessed the materials and when they accessed them. Even when most of our university activities were online, it was made clear that we had to engage with the material AND attend the actual lectures otherwise we would be marked as absent. If our attendance dipped below a certain level or we were not engaging with the material then we would be removed from the course.

A lot of our learning materials were quite dense. They contained A LOT of information, going into great detail about the different systems of the human body using scientific language which made them look quite daunting. The lectures were good for simplifying this.

[BFTD]

9 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

I have found out where I am going for the next clinical placement. I am going to a service that specialises in Eating Disorders.

I have no experience of working in that particular field and my knowledge of eating disorders is limited to what I have got from reading about them. I am aware of Anorexia Nervosa and Bulimia, their symptoms and the potential complications of them. They are awful illnesses.

If anyone knows of any good books or resources, or has any knowledge or information that would be helpful, then they would be greatly appreciated.  

Maybe worth getting in touch with them, try to find someone who works there that isn't a judgemental p***k, and ask if they have any recommendations for reading material that would be helpful in understanding what they do.

If nothing else, it would get the message across that you'd like to be useful and want to learn. A lot of folk like nothing better than if someone shows a genuine interest in what they do for a living.

[BFTD]

Just now, Richey Edwards said:

I don't know what platform your university uses for hosting the learning materials, but my lecturers can see who has accessed the materials and when they accessed them. Even when most of our university activities were online, it was made clear that we had to engage with the material AND attend the actual lectures otherwise we would be marked as absent. If our attendance dipped below a certain level or we were not engaging with the material then we would be removed from the course.

A lot of our learning materials were quite dense. They contained A LOT of information, going into great detail about the different systems of the human body using scientific language which made them look quite daunting. The lectures were good for simplifying this.

We've got this too. We were warned that, when exam time comes around, if it's obvious that someone hasn't been spending enough time logged on with the course materials, they'll not be allowed to sit the exam with everyone else.

Last year a couple of folk were warned that, with a couple of weeks to go, they'd never actually logged on  

[scottsdad]

4 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

I don't know what platform your university uses for hosting the learning materials, but my lecturers can see who has accessed the materials and when they accessed them. Even when most of our university activities were online, it was made clear that we had to engage with the material AND attend the actual lectures otherwise we would be marked as absent. If our attendance dipped below a certain level or we were not engaging with the material then we would be removed from the course.

A lot of our learning materials were quite dense. They contained A LOT of information, going into great detail about the different systems of the human body using scientific language which made them look quite daunting. The lectures were good for simplifying this.

We can see how often a student has looked at a page, and when last visited, but we go no further. Don't keep attendance in class either.

If they want to chance an exam having not engaged, that's on them. 

[BFTD]

2 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

We can see how often a student has looked at a page, and when last visited, but we go no further. Don't keep attendance in class either.

If they want to chance an exam having not engaged, that's on them. 

Do you have to worry about looking bad if enough of them fail?

I think that's maybe why we had a sudden panic at only a third of the class showing up.

[Richey Edwards]

Just now, BFTD said:

Maybe worth getting in touch with them, try to find someone who works there that isn't a judgemental p***k, and ask if they have any recommendations for reading material that would be helpful in understanding what they do.

If nothing else, it would get the message across that you'd like to be useful and want to learn. A lot of folk like nothing better than if someone shows a genuine interest in what they do for a living.

Yeah, I was thinking of sending them an email and asking for some recommendations for books etc.

Even if I never work in a service specifically for Eating Disorders again after my placement, it is still important to understand Eating Disorders because it is highly likely that I will work with people living with Eating Disorders at some point. Eating disorders are an often misunderstood, oversimplified and stigmatised group of illnesses which adds to the challenges that people living with these conditions face.

Knowing about them will make me a better practitioner, more able to help people and better equipped to challenge the stigma that these people face.

[Richey Edwards]

2 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Do you have to worry about looking bad if enough of them fail?

I think that's maybe why we had a sudden panic at only a third of the class showing up.

You have given me a flashback of when I was the only person in my college course to pass an exam (I got an A for it), and the full class got a bollocking from the lecturers apart from me.  

[scottsdad]

Just now, BFTD said:

Do you have to worry about looking bad if enough of them fail?

I think that's maybe why we had a sudden panic at only a third of the class showing up.

Nope. 

We recently had this - a huge influx of very poor postgraduate students. Loads failed, and there is a process by which questions are asked. In the end we stopped taking students from a few universities in other countries. 

[BFTD]

13 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

You have given me a flashback of when I was the only person in my college course to pass an exam (I got an A for it), and the full class got a bollocking from the lecturers apart from me.  

Twenty-odd years ago, we got a maths test at college that was about stuff that we hadn't studied yet. Our elderly lecturer was absolutely raging at us during the next class, until the classroom assistant nervously piped up that we weren't lying, he'd genuinely not covered any of it. I don't think we did any of it 'til second year.

It counted towards our final grade, so results were fiddled, and I don't think anyone got less than a C. Hopefully the daft auld coot learned that his mind wasn't quite as reliable as it used to be.

[Richey Edwards]

2 minutes ago, BFTD said:

Twenty-odd years ago, we got a maths test at college that was about stuff that we hadn't studied yet. Our elderly lecturer was absolutely raging at us during the next class, until the classroom assistant nervously piped up that we weren't lying, he'd genuinely not covered any of it. I don't think we did any of it 'til second year.

It counted towards our final grade, so results were fiddled, and I don't think anyone got less than a C. Hopefully the daft auld coot learned that his mind wasn't quite as reliable as it used to be.

I was vaguely embarrassed because I was asked to leave the room and I was told later that the lecturers all ripped into the other students telling them I was great and they were all shit. I wished they hadn't singled me out as the only person who passed. I  wouldn't have told the other students that. and they would have had no way of knowing who had passed.

The exam was not even hard tbh. It was a piece of piss.

[Hedgecutter]

Must admit that I don't like online learning.  Absolutely no substitute for being forced to write things down when being told / shown material by the lecturer in person.

Probably something to do with the whole thing whereby you remember 10% of what you hear, X% of what you hear and write etc.

Of course, there's nothing to stop one writing a hard copy of an on-screen slide at home, but that'll last two sessions before one says "nah, f*** it".

[Suspect Device]

Last essay just submitted so that's me 1/8 of the way towards a degree. 

Been a lot harder work than I first thought. Mostly because I'm still having to work part time which wasn't part of the initial plan.

Averaging 78% so not too bad overall. Not that the first 2 years marks matter as long as I pass.

[BFTD]

On 13/12/2022 at 15:05, Hedgecutter said:

Must admit that I don't like online learning.  Absolutely no substitute for being forced to write things down when being told / shown material by the lecturer in person.

Probably something to do with the whole thing whereby you remember 10% of what you hear, X% of what you hear and write etc.

Of course, there's nothing to stop one writing a hard copy of an on-screen slide at home, but that'll last two sessions before one says "nah, f*** it".

I'm the only one in class who still writes things by hand. Everyone else makes typed notes, and it's encouraged because it's easier to search back through for revision.

I've got memory problems, so this might just be me, but I find it much easier to remember stuff if I write it down a few times. Typing doesn't have the same effect.

[Hedgecutter]

2 hours ago, BFTD said:

I'm the only one in class who still writes things by hand. Everyone else makes typed notes, and it's encouraged because it's easier to search back through for revision.

I've got memory problems, so this might just be me, but I find it much easier to remember stuff if I write it down a few times. Typing doesn't have the same effect.

The sound of X dozen folk typing away whilst I try to listen to somebody would really get on my tits.

[scottsdad]

Marking season, and today I have put in paperwork for 3 plagiarism cases and 2 collusion cases. All postgraduate.

 

[Florentine_Pogen]

3 hours ago, scottsdad said:

Marking season, and today I have put in paperwork for 3 plagiarism cases and 2 collusion cases. All postgraduate.

 

After last years shenanigans, surprised that you still have students willing to take the chance.

[Richey Edwards]

3 hours ago, scottsdad said:

Marking season, and today I have put in paperwork for 3 plagiarism cases and 2 collusion cases. All postgraduate.

 

There is literally software that instantly flags up any plagiarism. It isn't even a case of submitting something plagiarised and hoping the marker doesn't notice.

How stupid do you need to be to even try it?

[Suspect Device]

4 hours ago, scottsdad said:

Marking season, and today I have put in paperwork for 3 plagiarism cases and 2 collusion cases. All postgraduate.

 

 

Mental that folk think they'll get away with it. It's drummed in constantly that plagiarism is easy to catch and you'll get screwed for it.

I make sure to cite everywhere.