Been going too long Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Specky Ginger said: The guy who sits next to me's cousin is an East Fife fan and said Connell wasn't a championship level player. Although, what the f**k an East Fife fan would know about championship level players is anyone's guess. He isn’t what we need at the moment but he is realistically what we will get, Euan Henderson at hearts would be good but doesn’t appear to be going anywhere despite little game time Edited January 9 by Been going too long 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 40 minutes ago, TxRover said: Simple facts: If we don’t sign Connell, we go into the Queen’s match with a maximum of 18 healthy players, discounting Ngwenya and Ross, and assuming Stanton is ready to go (questionable). Here’s the possible “strongest” lineup for Queen’s without Connel: MacDonald (and I’m not sure he’s 100% either) Millen/Lang/Nolan/Dick Brown/Spencer Connolly/Easton/Vaughan Gullan Bench: McNeil, Masson, Young, (?)Stanton(?), Frederiksen, McBride, Mahady That bench is near criminal? Now Connell would give us “more depth” at our “best stocked” area…but he is the devil we know and no one can say he doesn’t run and work his ass off. We are now perilously thin in the back, and our midfield is a f**king MASH unit. IM needs to find the money to bring in a spare mid and a utility defender, in my thinking…especially if we get bad news on Ngwenya. I’m concerned that Thomson seems behind schedule, as Jamie has looked pained in each of the last couple of games, the right shoulder may not be right. Young can't play on Wednesday because he's already played for Elgin in the Challenge cup this season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said: Young can't play on Wednesday because he's already played for Elgin in the Challenge cup this season. Well then, that’s us down to Masson as our reserve back then. Good catch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 40 minutes ago, grumswall said: With all of that in mind, it's spelled arse tx. I do think the next couple of games while they could be good for the coffers, we need to rest macdonald. He once again showed his worth on Monday and we need him fit for league business. I think arnott would be a useful option to have for the midfield even if he hasn't had the best time of things at Brechin. I don't rate Connell as a striker but he does work hard, noises up defenders and has a long throw. He doesn't score goals though and we desperately need someone who will do that, that isn't called aiden Connolly. Dunno, some people call him a donkey anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The game on Friday will have done sim no harm in his attempts to sell. We are a club with potential. There's a young fan base that are willing to get behind the club and it helps drive the rest of the fans as well. We're not a terrible team, rather a team with a lack of depth to the squad. Give Murray a decent budget and I think we could do well with him. He doesn't have us playing any worse than the last 5/6 months under mcglynn really. Yes he could be better, his signings? Maybe if he had the budget. The two go hand in hand. My only criticism of Murray so far is his subs on Friday should have been made earlier, because I understand the constraints he's working under. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith69 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 When talking of finances and signing Connell, then according to the salary Sport website then Connell is on £250 per week and interestingly Big John is on £870 and is our highest earner in our squad not bad for sitting on the bench. Also Ethan Ross is on £860 per week. Now how totally reliable this is then I have no idea but does make interesting read. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Raith69 said: When talking of finances and signing Connell, then according to the salary Sport website then Connell is on £250 per week and interestingly Big John is on £870 and is our highest earner in our squad not bad for sitting on the bench. Also Ethan Ross is on £860 per week. Now how totally reliable this is then I have no idea but does make interesting read. I think that is the site that is basically using salary details lifted from Football Manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Folk would be well minded to remember that players in all likelihood read this forum. You can say what you want, obviously, but mind these players are young guys and only a few weeks ago Raith TV posted a video where an mental health professional came in and gave a talk to the players, then afterwards spoke to the camera and said that every single negative thing that is posted online or shouted at a match has a demotivating, devaluing and ultimately negative impact on their performance. Folk can talk about ‘thick skin’ or ‘don’t read it if you don’t like it’ as much as they want, but that’s the professional opinion on it. Let’s give the over the top criticism a rest. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Folk would be well minded to remember that players in all likelihood read this forum. You can say what you want, obviously, but mind these players are young guys and only a few weeks ago Raith TV posted a video where an mental health professional came in and gave a talk to the players, then afterwards spoke to the camera and said that every single negative thing that is posted online or shouted at a match has a demotivating, devaluing and ultimately negative impact on their performance. Folk can talk about ‘thick skin’ or ‘don’t read it if you don’t like it’ as much as they want, but that’s the professional opinion on it. Let’s give the over the top criticism a rest. It’s a fair cop, but society is to blame. But more seriously, for as much as we pick at these players, there is pretty much something to like about the play of just about any of them. IM may have spouted all that pish about not being out-worked and all, but this team has genuinely fought hard so far, even apparently without a decent budget, and despite the acts of idiots booing them. Yes, we’d all love Raith to sign Marcus Rashford and skate the league, but it won’t happen. Instead we will grind away looking for players with the ability to contribute to the team within our budget, no matter how pitiful it is. These are players who are playing because they live the game, not because they expect to make a cushy living doing it, so Hank’s right, let’s not go OTT on debasing and belittling. Edit to add: Well, except Zanatta…he got banned, so we can abuse him as much as we like. Edited January 9 by TxRover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 That is fair enough @Hank Scorpio. I do think it's healthy for fans to discuss the team in the good and the bad though. I haven't stepped foot in a pub in years and don't berate any player at a game. Where should I discuss the team then? That's the entire purpose of forums such as this surely? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, grumswall said: That is fair enough @Hank Scorpio. I do think it's healthy for fans to discuss the team in the good and the bad though. I haven't stepped foot in a pub in years and don't berate any player at a game. Where should I discuss the team then? That's the entire purpose of forums such as this surely? Absolutely. I just think that we should be mindful that if Connell signs, we are going to need to rely on him at some point before the end of the season and I’d like to think that any player that pulls on our shirt feels like he has the full backing of the fans. It’s naive to think that the opinion of fans online, if he sees it, doesn’t have a negative impact on a player when he goes on the park. Discuss - absolutely. But leave the over the top stuff out, it has no positive impact or outcome, which is what we all want, surely? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Surely it’s in Livingston’s best interests to cut Jack Hamilton’s loan short at Hartlepool and allow us to sign him instead? Surely? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrush1471 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 He's not exactly shown it, but there's potentially a player in Connell. He's had mostly poor or average games, but he was great against both Ayr and Partick at home. That's more good performances than poplatnik had at this point last season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Re-signing a striker already on our books when our strikers are struggling to score goals is not going to solve anything. I don't think we would be taking much of a risk at all by rolling the dice and bringing in someone else instead, even if by Murray's comments that will almost certainly be another young loanee. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said: Absolutely. I just think that we should be mindful that if Connell signs, we are going to need to rely on him at some point before the end of the season and I’d like to think that any player that pulls on our shirt feels like he has the full backing of the fans. It’s naive to think that the opinion of fans online, if he sees it, doesn’t have a negative impact on a player when he goes on the park. Discuss - absolutely. But leave the over the top stuff out, it has no positive impact or outcome, which is what we all want, surely? Again that's fair enough and I do agree we shouldn't just berate players for no reason, iv not intended to do that with Connell. I have always said I don't think the guy is a goalscorer but he does work hard, has a long throw and riles up the opposition. Iv stated what iv seen as his positives. If he signs for us he can feel free to prove me wrong that he isn't a goalscorer and I'll be the first to admit I was wrong with that. He wouldn't be the worst signing we could make but I, like everyone else would love someone who does score goals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just out of curiosity, what is the players fund being used for and if it is on a player which one is it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Michael W said: Re-signing a striker already on our books when our strikers are struggling to score goals is not going to solve anything. I don't think we would be taking much of a risk at all by rolling the dice and bringing in someone else instead, even if by Murray's comments that will almost certainly be another young loanee. If we’re not careful this could end up as a re-run of last season? Just like last season, the midfielders were scoring enough goals to win us games. Goals tail off a bit as we head into Winter. Connell doing well enough at allowing the midfielders room to find spaces to score (see Ethon Varian last season) but we change things in the hunt for a goal scoring forward. Last season it was the awful DG signing. This season it’s been trying to integrate injured strikers (Vaughan and Gullan) back into the team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped24 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Who is this guy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Scary Bear said: If we’re not careful this could end up as a re-run of last season? Just like last season, the midfielders were scoring enough goals to win us games. Goals tail off a bit as we head into Winter. Connell doing well enough at allowing the midfielders room to find spaces to score (see Ethon Varian last season) but we change things in the hunt for a goal scoring forward. Last season it was the awful DG signing. This season it’s been trying to integrate injured strikers (Vaughan and Gullan) back into the team. We haven’t had an out and out goal scorer since John Baird, and he was in the twilight of his career. It’s been a massive problem for us for a few seasons now and one that I can’t see being fixed this month. I think, in the absence of a proper number 9, we need to play two up front but Murray doesn’t seem to want to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, ped24 said: Who is this guy? Which one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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