The New Raith Rovers Thread

[CountryBumpkin]

8 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Agree with this. No sympathy for Murray or the club over this. 

But it's a case of

Idiots: "why no striker? The lack of information is unacceptable" 

IM: "we're waiting on a permit being issued for a player, Brexit and those morons that thought it was a good idea have caused changes to the rules around foreign players"

Idiots: "Well quit complaining about it, we don't want to read about your reasons why there is no striker."

[Ro Sham Bo]

2 minutes ago, CountryBumpkin said:

But it's a case of

Idiots: "why no striker? The lack of information is unacceptable" 

IM: "we're waiting on a permit being issued for a player, Brexit and those morons that thought it was a good idea have caused changes to the rules around foreign players"

Idiots: "Well quit complaining about it, we don't want to read about your reasons why there is no striker."

Yes but these rules were in place before the season started, its not like they've been imposed after we tried signing the boy. 

We went into this with our eyes open and if we are stuck for months with Gullan and Connell while we wait for someone who  is an absolute gamble to put it mildly, then Murray will be right in the firing line. 

[CALDERON]

13 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Feel like the club can’t win with some. We’ve had pages and pages and pages of “the silence is deafening” and now, when the manager is forthcoming with what is happening you’ve got folk saying they’ve no sympathy. What do you actually want? 

A section of the support have made their mind up over Murray already and I imagine see this as a convenient stick to hit him with.

The alternative in this market to taking a punt on an unknown player (bringing this level of complication) is using the loan market to bring a young player in.  Let's see how that goes down with the support.

[CountryBumpkin]

19 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Yes but these rules were in place before the season started, its not like they've been imposed after we tried signing the boy. 

We went into this with our eyes open and if we are stuck for months with Gullan and Connell while we wait for someone who  is an absolute gamble to put it mildly, then Murray will be right in the firing line. 

Well no but it's not like we didn't try earlier in the window to sign anyone. It's been a shitty window for all clubs, now we have to get what we can because there are clearly no Scottish players available of the calibre we want...

[Ro Sham Bo]

11 minutes ago, CountryBumpkin said:

Well no but it's not like we didn't try earlier in the window to sign anyone. It's been a shitty window for all clubs, now we have to get what we can because there are clearly no Scottish players available of the calibre we want...

Based on the dross that Murray has brought into the club so far I don't think he sets a particularly high bar when it comes to the calibre of his signings. 

[Ding Dang Doo]

Based on the dross that Murray has brought into the club so far I don't think he sets a particularly high bar when it comes to the calibre of his signings. 

And who would you have brought to the club instead?

[Raith_Raver]

1 hour ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Agree with this. No sympathy for Murray or the club over this. 

When did you ever have a positive attitude for the club?

[Been going too long]

1 hour ago, CALDERON said:

A section of the support have made their mind up over Murray already and I imagine see this as a convenient stick to hit him with.

The alternative in this market to taking a punt on an unknown player (bringing this level of complication) is using the loan market to bring a young player in.  Let's see how that goes down with the support.

Maybe that’s right but he has done nothing to earn unwavering support from the fans yet, I personally feel very little about him either way tbh a bit like his team, he talks a good game but yet to see it on the park, hope he does thou 

[Ro Sham Bo]

12 minutes ago, Raith_Raver said:

When did you ever have a positive attitude for the club?

I would rather be critical of Murray 6 games in to the season than champion the signing of a rapist, that's for sure. 

[renton]

1 hour ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Based on the dross that Murray has brought into the club so far I don't think he sets a particularly high bar when it comes to the calibre of his signings. 

See, of all our signings, I would certainly class Millen as dross. Connell and McBride I feel won't do much (but the latter is replacing Zanatta so not a downgrade even if he does f**k all) but Easton, Ross and O'Riordan all look good players at this level and Nolan looks adequate. Call it a 50% hit rate.

Apart from right back and depth at centre back I don't feel he's done a terrible job, but like McGlynn in the two seasons before that it's finding the right forward player to make it click. 

If he doesn't were in deep shit, right enough.

Edited September 15, 2022 by renton

[renton]

1 hour ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Yes but these rules were in place before the season started, its not like they've been imposed after we tried signing the boy. 

We went into this with our eyes open and if we are stuck for months with Gullan and Connell while we wait for someone who  is an absolute gamble to put it mildly, then Murray will be right in the firing line. 

Short of winning the annual "non league English guy" tombola as Ayr appear to have done, I don't think there are  lot of distinguished strikers going free.

Most of those that are in the Championship were already on multi year contracts at the clubs they were at already. 

[Michael W]

The time for signing a striker was months ago. It was a known issue when Murray arrived. 

Hopefully this guy is decent, because we are in bother if he isn't. 

Edited September 15, 2022 by Michael W

[Jamie_M]

Seems to be about a 2 month wait for standard permits going by the delays for the likes of Bangala. Morton ditched their interest in a mystery foreign striker for that reason (wonder if it's the same guy you are signing?)

At this rate, would have preferred us to have just signed him anyway and waited instead of remaining in the great striker hunt that yourselves, Arbroath and probably half the division still find themselves on.

[Raithie]

I think it's safe to say it's Big John we're waiting on clearance for. Hopefully Murray has factored in that he's not played since July and realised ahead of time that other clubs have had to wait months for overseas players to get clearance to play. Time he's here and up to speed we'll be into the January transfer window at this rate 

[roverthemoon]

12 hours ago, CALDERON said:

A section of the support have made their mind up over Murray already and I imagine see this as a convenient stick to hit him with.

The alternative in this market to taking a punt on an unknown player (bringing this level of complication) is using the loan market to bring a young player in.  Let's see how that goes down with the support.

There’s always a section of our support who seem to hate whoever is in charge. It’s peculiar.

I’m still in the jury out category, but from what I’ve seen so far I’m leaning towards unconvinced at the moment.. The League Cup performance was poor in a group we really should have gotten out of. The start to the league campaign has been uninspiring. It’s still early days and it may all come together, but it has the feeling of a ‘just don’t get relegated’ type of season. 

[Against The Machine]

9 hours ago, Michael W said:

The time for signing a striker was months ago. It was a known issue when Murray arrived. 

Hopefully this guy is decent, because we are in bother if he isn't. 

 

8 hours ago, Jamie_M said:

Seems to be about a 2 month wait for standard permits going by the delays for the likes of Bangala. Morton ditched their interest in a mystery foreign striker for that reason (wonder if it's the same guy you are signing?)

At this rate, would have preferred us to have just signed him anyway and waited instead of remaining in the great striker hunt that yourselves, Arbroath and probably half the division still find themselves on.

These two posts dovetail nicely. Look at the strikers that have arrived into the division this summer. There's been about three of them, and one is that duff trialist we had who has ended up at Arbroath two months later down the line. 

It's easy to say "Sign a striker!" but there simply aren't many. Morton opted not to gamble on a work permit previously and probably regret it now, we presumably pursued another option that didn't come through and have had to go offshore to find someone now. 

There's been this weird paradoxical chat about whether or not the money is there, but it's almost not even relevant. The players aren't there. In a normal summer, you'd look at the clubs around us, look at the strikers they've signed and go "Why couldn't we get him? Were we outbid? Were we not quick enough?" but there aren't really any names that jump out. Maybe Anton Dowds who went to Thistle, but that was arranged months ago, well before McGlynn left. 

Other than that, you've got Akinyemi at Ayr who's the obvious standout in the division but we know that non-league English market is a total gamble. He looks brilliant now, but nobody could say that the day he arrived. Steven Boyd? Jai Quitongo? Both picked out of League One, neither particularly good. 

[Been going too long]

14 minutes ago, roverthemoon said:

There’s always a section of our support who seem to hate whoever is in charge. It’s peculiar.

I’m still in the jury out category, but from what I’ve seen so far I’m leaning towards unconvinced at the moment.. The League Cup performance was poor in a group we really should have gotten out of. The start to the league campaign has been uninspiring. It’s still early days and it may all come together, but it has the feeling of a ‘just don’t get relegated’ type of season. 

I agree it feels like when Grant Murray took over.

[renton]

19 minutes ago, Against The Machine said:

 

These two posts dovetail nicely. Look at the strikers that have arrived into the division this summer. There's been about three of them, and one is that duff trialist we had who has ended up at Arbroath two months later down the line. 

It's easy to say "Sign a striker!" but there simply aren't many. Morton opted not to gamble on a work permit previously and probably regret it now, we presumably pursued another option that didn't come through and have had to go offshore to find someone now. 

There's been this weird paradoxical chat about whether or not the money is there, but it's almost not even relevant. The players aren't there. In a normal summer, you'd look at the clubs around us, look at the strikers they've signed and go "Why couldn't we get him? Were we outbid? Were we not quick enough?" but there aren't really any names that jump out. Maybe Anton Dowds who went to Thistle, but that was arranged months ago, well before McGlynn left. 

Other than that, you've got Akinyemi at Ayr who's the obvious standout in the division but we know that non-league English market is a total gamble. He looks brilliant now, but nobody could say that the day he arrived. Steven Boyd? Jai Quitongo? Both picked out of League One, neither particularly good. 

Aye, Dunfermline went down and took Toderov, O'Hara and Wighton with them: three guys who, The Pars relegation notwithstanding, would have been looking at championship gigs otherwise.

Dowds as you say, was arranged some time ago. Samuels and McKay were already at ICT, Graham already at Partick, Megginson already at Cove and Murray already at Queens. There just hasn't been a lot of movement, or a lot of free agents.

If anything, the club is suffering from McGlynn's decision last Summer to tough it out with a couple of loan strikers and hope for the best. 

[CALDERON]

11 hours ago, Been going too long said:

Maybe that’s right but he has done nothing to earn unwavering support from the fans yet, I personally feel very little about him either way tbh a bit like his team, he talks a good game but yet to see it on the park, hope he does thou 

Certainly don't think he deserves unwavering support, but also don't think he deserves unwavering criticism at every turn.

10 hours ago, Michael W said:

The time for signing a striker was months ago. It was a known issue when Murray arrived. 

Hopefully this guy is decent, because we are in bother if he isn't. 

To be fair, I remember hearing an interview as far back as July where Murray referenced the need for a striker.  Obviously something has prevented deals from getting over the line.

 

[Brashy's Boots]

1 hour ago, roverthemoon said:

There’s always a section of our support who seem to hate whoever is in charge. It’s peculiar.

I’m still in the jury out category, but from what I’ve seen so far I’m leaning towards unconvinced at the moment.. The League Cup performance was poor in a group we really should have gotten out of. The start to the league campaign has been uninspiring. It’s still early days and it may all come together, but it has the feeling of a ‘just don’t get relegated’ type of season. 

For me, it was always a "just don't get relegated" season. New management, players leaving, players arriving, new team, new formation, new tactics, new captain and still foggy under the McGlynn hangover. I didn't expect anything else. I hoped for more, but we are where I thought we'd be. I suspect we'll finish where I thought we'd finish; 5th to 8th.