pub car king Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Against The Machine said: For what it's worth, I think there's a world of difference between showing a minute of respect for a dead woman, and playing/singing a song extolling the virtues of a living, unelected head of state. I can't see a situation where I'd ever disrupt a minute's silence, but I'd have serious issues with God Save The King. It's a situation the Rovers don't need to get themselves involved This, the minutes silence is fair enough if thats what they want to do and im sure it would be observed. Personally and I'm sure I'm not the only one I couldn't give a solitary f**k that an old woman who lived a full life and given endless opportunities we can only dream off died in her warm bed surrounded by family but each to their own. As for this "national anthem" get it in the fucking sea it has no relevance to the match in question and would only be played to try and appease the Helen Lovejoy/staunch flag shagger types. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavyDavy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Against The Machine said: Whilst on an individual level I agree with you (well, your second sentence), a minute's silence is inviting trouble. There's clearly a significant element of the public at large that isn't buying all this reverence for the royal family, and it'd be asking for trouble to attempt a minute's silence in as emotive an environment as a football ground. For what it's worth, I think there's a world of difference between showing a minute of respect for a dead woman, and playing/singing a song extolling the virtues of a living, unelected head of state. I can't see a situation where I'd ever disrupt a minute's silence, but I'd have serious issues with God Save The King. It's a situation the Rovers don't need to get themselves involved with. Pandering to, or avoidance because of a fear of, a minority sends entirely the wrong message. Regardless of your politics, you should be able to stand quietly for 1 minute as a show of respect for the head of state. I think yesterday's events showed that despite the noise the minority makes, Scotland has the humility to show respect, which was good to see. As for GSTK, don't want to hear that played, not because it celebrates the Monarch, but because it is seen as the national anthem of England (which, technically, it's not) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavyDavy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, pub car king said: Personally and I'm sure I'm not the only one I couldn't give a solitary f**k that an old woman who lived a full life and given endless opportunities we can only dream off died in her warm bed surrounded by family but each to their own So anyone who dies comfortably after a full life isn't worthy of respect? I'm no Royalist but f**k me, that's bitter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, RavyDavy said: Pandering to, or avoidance because of a fear of, a minority sends entirely the wrong message. Regardless of your politics, you should be able to stand quietly for 1 minute as a show of respect for the head of state. I think yesterday's events showed that despite the noise the minority makes, Scotland has the humility to show respect, which was good to see. As for GSTK, don't want to hear that played, not because it celebrates the Monarch, but because it is seen as the national anthem of England (which, technically, it's not) The events of yesterday and today also show that there will always be some who will take the opportunity to make their point. The Hearts match showed how quickly things can spiral from there. It isn't worth the hassle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavyDavy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said: The events of yesterday and today also show that there will always be some who will take the opportunity to make their point. The Hearts match showed how quickly things can spiral from there. It isn't worth the hassle. You know, let those stupid enough to behave like that out themselves in public. Imagine living life in fear of what a moron would do. You think that there isn't an anti-monarchy element feeling down south too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, RavyDavy said: So anyone who dies comfortably after a full life isn't worthy of respect? I'm no Royalist but f**k me, that's bitter Not caring or being ambivalent about a dead stranger is not a sign of disrespect. Booing the minute silence would be a sign of having no respect. If you want a minute's silence for the queen, old Jean who lives next door or your recently departed pet dog then I will observe that but I and others will still not care and nor should anyone be made to feel that they do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, RavyDavy said: You know, let those stupid enough to behave like that out themselves in public. Imagine living life in fear of what a moron would do. You think that there isn't an anti-monarchy element feeling down south too? I've no idea about England but I can guarantee it will be worse up here and I expect a number of clubs to opt out of the silence and almost none to play the anthem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochwood Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Can you buy your ticket on the day at the ground 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkcaldybanjo111 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 If Rovers play the British national anthem thats it for me.I’ll never be back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brashy's Boots Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, kirkcaldybanjo111 said: If Rovers play the British national anthem thats it for me.I’ll never be back. Sit doon. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Knowing the Rovers, the wrong version will be played. The perfect f**k up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Knowing the Rovers, the wrong version will be played. The perfect f**k up. Either that or the ipod won't connect again. Not a bad excuse to have already tested this season. I'm not saying the people who run that side of things at starks knew, but it's a bit of a coincidence... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steakngravy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Brashy will have a beer for you on Monday remembering they are an hour ahead. I will bypass any English pubs as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Wardy said: Knowing the Rovers, the wrong version will be played. The perfect f**k up. Sex Pistols version? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Minute silence is fine. There's plenty other avenues to pay further respects if you want to, and plenty other places to show any more negative feelings. Hopefully its respected and we can be talking about the football at full time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Minute silence is fine. There's plenty other avenues to pay further respects if you want to, and plenty other places to show any more negative feelings. Hopefully its respected and we can be talking about the football at full time. I'm not sure that we will be better off talking about the football all things considered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavyDavy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Ro Sham Bo said: I've no idea about England but I can guarantee it will be worse up here and I expect a number of clubs to opt out of the silence and almost none to play the anthem. You've heard of Liverpool yeah? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, grumswall said: It would be a lot better for the club to avoid another potential bad story by playing gstk or have a minutes silence. I don't care enough either way to boo or sing if it plays and I will observe a minutes silence if it happens but just leave it all out and we don't have the problem of some people being vocal against it. I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't have a minute's silence and play the national anthem, all sorts of creatures within the mainstream and social media will be ready to take offence and castigate the club, and if they do play it, and some people boo, the very same creatures will be at the ready to condemn the club. Whether you agree with it or not, surely if the club ask the fans to observe a minute's silence, you do it out of respect for the club and to avoid bringing any bad publicity its way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavyDavy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, pub car king said: Not caring or being ambivalent about a dead stranger is not a sign of disrespect. Booing the minute silence would be a sign of having no respect. You also said: 1 hour ago, pub car king said: I couldn't give a solitary f**k that an old woman who lived a full life and given endless opportunities we can only dream off died in her warm bed surrounded by family Sounds respectful AF Take a seat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't have a minute's silence and play the national anthem, all sorts of creatures within the mainstream and social media will be ready to take offence and castigate the club, and if they do play it, and some people boo, the very same creatures will be at the ready to condemn the club. Whether you agree with it or not, surely if the club ask the fans to observe a minute's silence, you do it out of respect for the club and to avoid bringing any bad publicity its way.Yeah I'd agree. There is always going to be someone who wants to make a point either way though. As I said, I'll observe whatever the club decides to do but I do think it's potentially easier if they don't play the song at least. I won't sing it if they do play it and I won't boo it. Beyond Andrew being free to roam around I don't have much care about any of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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