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Went to hospitality few years ago, found it a very pleasant day and a nice enough experience - but not something I'd rush back to.  Certainly found a bar lunch plus pub crawl to the ground to be more enjoyable to be honest.

Nothing fundamentally wrong with the experience,  but I can find better things to spend the money on and have just as good a day out.

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6 hours ago, Scary Bear said:

 

I don’t get the difference it makes if we pay-off Goodwillie so he’s no longer an employee of the club.

We can’t change the fact the club signed him or undo the stigma and bad feeling which are lingering on. We’ll still pay him what he’s due and that will be from the club’s finances. The majority of the people who made the decision are still at the club.

Obviously people have various different ideas of what’s right but it don’t seem very logical to me thinking it’s all good once he’s paid off.

Why would Goodwillie want a lump sum pay off unless he has an account of shore? If hes working elsewhere hes paying tax at a lower rate than max.Pay of would rob him of at approx 40% in one go.Even Mr Dean Park wouldn't pay out if he had any sense

 

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12 minutes ago, Brashy's Boots said:

That is not kicking the can. Kicking the can means choosing to defer a decision on something difficult. My point is that fans have next to no power or influence when it comes the board change we would like to see. That much is proven at our club this year alone. To a certain, regrettable extent, we have to suck it up whilst Sim is in charge. We've seen good season ticket sales and strips purchased, so fans are clearly not of a mind to withhold money from the club. We can't buy him out unless he wants to sell, and fan-related appointments to the board can only exert as much influence as the owner and chief exec allow them to. Noisy protests and cardboard placards make a scene but wouldn't make Sim easier to deal with. More likely, as threatened, he walks away and closes us down.

So we're not kicking the can anywhere. We're not deferring anything because it's not ours to defer. We need to stay on our toes though. Who knows what circus will ensue once he decides he's had enough.

Please stop writing to me. Pretty please.

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16 minutes ago, Bandohope said:

Why would Goodwillie want a lump sum pay off unless he has an account of shore? If hes working elsewhere hes paying tax at a lower rate than max.Pay of would rob him of at approx 40% in one go.Even Mr Dean Park wouldn't pay out if he had any sense

 

I’m not sure that’s accurate. I’m sure your tax code is calculated based on a years earnings.

If he was paid 1,000 a week for a year (52k) he would pay the same amount of tax as he would on a one off 52k lump sum payment. 

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33 minutes ago, Jilted John said:

I’m not sure that’s accurate. I’m sure your tax code is calculated based on a years earnings.

If he was paid 1,000 a week for a year (52k) he would pay the same amount of tax as he would on a one off 52k lump sum payment. 

If he got paid a lump sum he would likely get hammered for tax in that pay but you are right that if he did nothing for the rest of the year it would equalise out in the long run. 

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4 hours ago, RavyDavy said:

At a very quick glance, they look comparable to or not as good as Rovers' offering. 

This is what it costs... Tbh, a 3-course meal, match ticket, programme, prosecco, tea/coffee and a pie for £70 isn't that bad. Once you take out the pie, programme and tickets, where else are you getting a decent 3-course meal from for under £50 these days?? 

I'd agree it offers less value for STHs but it's hardly wildly over-priced. 

Fair enough regarding the cost then. I guess that it's just an overpriced product in general, much like Championship football I suppose. 

The club are definitely going to have to push it harder than they are though if they want to generate interest. 

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17 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Fair enough regarding the cost then. I guess that it's just an overpriced product in general, much like Championship football I suppose. 

The club are definitely going to have to push it harder than they are though if they want to generate interest. 

They could have you hanged from the floodlights at at half time. That would be a laugh. 

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John Sim and his puppet CEO Karen McCartney are ruining our club.  The money wasted on Goodwilie and the Titan (or the Titanic as it's called when they're not around) is an absolute disgrace.  They are the reason no one is interested in hospitality.  Between them they are running the club into the ground.

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3 hours ago, Brashy's Boots said:

That is not kicking the can. Kicking the can means choosing to defer a decision on something difficult. My point is that fans have next to no power or influence when it comes the board change we would like to see. That much is proven at our club this year alone. To a certain, regrettable extent, we have to suck it up whilst Sim is in charge. We've seen good season ticket sales and strips purchased, so fans are clearly not of a mind to withhold money from the club. We can't buy him out unless he wants to sell, and fan-related appointments to the board can only exert as much influence as the owner and chief exec allow them to. Noisy protests and cardboard placards make a scene but wouldn't make Sim easier to deal with. More likely, as threatened, he walks away and closes us down.

So we're not kicking the can anywhere. We're not deferring anything because it's not ours to defer. We need to stay on our toes though. Who knows what circus will ensue once he decides he's had enough.

I'll pick this one up given Scary was first responded to my post. I don't see why things would need to be set up as an "us versus them". I just think that if Sim isn't willing to explain what happens when he's no longer around, then the club would be in a far better position to respond to such a crisis. Nobody is suggesting not to buy season tickets, or to withhold money from the club. I'm not buying that Sim would close us down in a heartbeat. 

I'd far rather put money into a fund which could be built up over 10 to 15 years with a small direct debit for if the shit hits the fan. It won't be for everyone to contribute given current circumstances but I'd rather that there's at least some work to give us a head-start until the current owner explains his exit strategy. 

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58 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said:

I'll pick this one up given Scary was first responded to my post. I don't see why things would need to be set up as an "us versus them". I just think that if Sim isn't willing to explain what happens when he's no longer around, then the club would be in a far better position to respond to such a crisis. Nobody is suggesting not to buy season tickets, or to withhold money from the club. I'm not buying that Sim would close us down in a heartbeat. 

I'd far rather put money into a fund which could be built up over 10 to 15 years with a small direct debit for if the shit hits the fan. It won't be for everyone to contribute given current circumstances but I'd rather that there's at least some work to give us a head-start until the current owner explains his exit strategy. 

That's an initiative I'd contribute to. As I said, we need to be on our toes.

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1 hour ago, Broken Algorithms said:

I'll pick this one up given Scary was first responded to my post. I don't see why things would need to be set up as an "us versus them". I just think that if Sim isn't willing to explain what happens when he's no longer around, then the club would be in a far better position to respond to such a crisis. Nobody is suggesting not to buy season tickets, or to withhold money from the club. I'm not buying that Sim would close us down in a heartbeat. 

I'd far rather put money into a fund which could be built up over 10 to 15 years with a small direct debit for if the shit hits the fan. It won't be for everyone to contribute given current circumstances but I'd rather that there's at least some work to give us a head-start until the current owner explains his exit strategy. 

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You're like a broken record. A boring one at that. Move on. The majority of people are trying to. 
You need to remember that your chairman at the time actually came out in press to tell fans to like it or f**k off and support another team. If that doesn't concern you then f**k knows what does.
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No doubt part of the hospitality package problem is the lack of marketing, but for me the price is far too expensive for what you get.
£70 for a 3 course meal, with a glass of fizz chucked in. Then you add in the obligatory book of 50/50 tickets and the guess the crowd competition, plus a few drinks and it's pushing towards £100. And you get the bonus of a partially restricted view seat in the Main Stand.
For corporate guests, they need to more proactive than that with the pricing. For example, offer reduced prices if a full table is booked etc etc. 
For season ticket holders, the £10 discount is poor too. I would rather sit in my usual seat than the Main Stand so straight away the 'matchday experience' is reduced. They need to come up with a better deal than that to tempt season ticket holders to book it.
A new pricing structure incorporating a complimentary bar either pre or post match would be worth considering. I have no idea what other clubs offer, but I can't imagine that many are less attractive than our offering.
 
I'm quite sad and pragmatic with money at times. In this time of increased costs so will others. Breaking it down as a regular fan. It's £20 for a ticket and realistically £20 for a 3 course meal in a bar or restaurant. I can easily see how fans are not taking it up. Closing off the whole area around the portacabin and selling it as a fanzone within the ground is something more appealing imo.
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Dundee offers hospitality packages from £75
Morton £109 (£10 discount for STHs)
Cove Rangers £75 for off-site hospitality
Partick £105 (£15 discount for STHs)
Looks to me like the club has the pricing right?? 
I'm sure you'll be aware of the external factors affecting customers and businesses alike? Something that will absolutely be impacting Raith Rovers, their supporters, local businesses and community in general?
 

Mortons is incorrect in comparison. That's the price for a far more exciting hospitality experience with a complimentary bar throughout the experience. It's roughly the same price as at Starks without the bar offer.



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I mean its not tiny, but its still a portacabin after all, you can see just how big it is from the stand. We were in it when the home shirt was released, its cosy with 20 and has some space cut off for a kitchen
So it's probably better used as changing rooms for the pitch when not used on match days. They can use the toilets at the corner of the main stand. If its only used by directors its a complete waste of money.
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1 minute ago, foreverarover said:
6 hours ago, Jilted John said:
I wouldn’t say the price of hospitality is particularly bad, I think it’s the experience that’s the issue.
I did it last season and I thought there was a lot the club could have done better. To begin with, the Raith Suite felt too sterile. Dim the lights a bit and get some music on. The menu was something along the lines of steak pie or chicken and gravy. How about modernising it a bit and offering a burger and chips, or pizza or something a bit less boring. 

The issue is you could goto exchequer or nover and get that menu for £25 tops.

Then perhaps the superior idea would be to use a variety of sources for the hospitality meals? If you could rotate through a selection of caterers/restaurants providing a menu, you might encourage those able to drop the ££’s to visit hospitality a couple, or more, times a year. You would also boost the exposure of participating entities.

Yes, you risk the particular provider not appealing to fans for a certain game, but surely you could put together a menu to give people a selection if they chose an entree when booking hospitality? As a bonus, adding places that might offer vegan, vegetarian, and non-traditional options might just expand the custom.

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16 hours ago, Bandohope said:

Why would Goodwillie want a lump sum pay off unless he has an account of shore? If hes working elsewhere hes paying tax at a lower rate than max.Pay of would rob him of at approx 40% in one go.Even Mr Dean Park wouldn't pay out if he had any sense

 

Don’t think he’s working elsewhere. Maybe he just wants to move on with his life….. maybe play Jnr or amateur or abroad…. Who knows?

Perhaps a deal over two tax years would work? And perhaps a payment of less than the total of his full contract at £1,500 a week could be negotiated…. The rumour is the parties have not even sat in the same room with their legal representation to thrash this out. Seems strange not to attempt to get  a mutually acceptable solution.

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16 hours ago, Jilted John said:

I’m not sure that’s accurate. I’m sure your tax code is calculated based on a years earnings.

If he was paid 1,000 a week for a year (52k) he would pay the same amount of tax as he would on a one off 52k lump sum payment. 

Yes, but he has a two year contract. 

So if he’s on £1k a week he gets £52k in a year and is liable for 40% tax on about £9k of that (for both years). 

if we pay him off in one go he’ll get £104k and be liable for 40% tax on £61k. 
 

So if we pay him off in one go his higher rate tax liability is about £24k, but if he gets paid monthly for two years it’s only £7k. 
 

He’d be daft to accept a pay off that will cost him £17k. 

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