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Can you really say we’ve started in relegation form after just two games? I feel like people’s arses are twitching a bit because we haven't done things the “McGlynn way” which everybody is comfortable and used to of starting like a steam train before falling to pieces come November/December. I’m hopeful that we grow into this season a bit as the team gel. Play like we did for most of the game yesterday next week and we should have our first win.

As for the “banter” aspect to our club, look in the club office and boardroom, not at the football side. Couldn’t even sell out our hospitality for our first home game….

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It was my first game of the season and whilst the first 20 mins was pretty awful I didn't think we were too bad after that.

O'Riordan, Brown and Connolly from the starters all looked good and it seems obvious that Easton needs to start next week.

On the other side Millen looked awful and we really, realy need a natural striker as Gullan just doesn't look like the player we need in that position.

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10 minutes ago, Enigma said:

As for the “banter” aspect to our club, look in the club office and boardroom, not at the football side. Couldn’t even sell out our hospitality for our first home game….

This sort of thing quickly infests the rest of the operation. 

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I’d imagine it’s the sign of the times as well, hospitality isint exactly cheap, and I’d imagine businesses wouldn’t be willing to fork out that kind of money either.
Everyone is cutting back.

Valid reason though with everything that’s happened at the club in the last six months tho. Takes a lot more than a new manager and a couple of new faces to get out the Malaise we find ourselves in. 

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We obviously need a proper striker and another centre back but the fullbacks are dire. Millen must be one of the tallest players in the squad but stays back for corners despite his worrying lack of pace. I know it's early days but he looks completely useless and we've got him for 2 years. With him and Dick starting every week I'm concerned. 

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14 minutes ago, Michael W said:

This sort of thing quickly infests the rest of the operation. 

Yeah. No doubt it can. Talk of relegation though is way, way too premature. We saw the same stuff last season an preceded to go on a fairly credible unbeaten run. Although we lost yesterday the performance did allay some of my fears.

I don’t have the stats to hand but if anybody does I’d be interested to know what our xG has been over the first two league games. Keep creating chances like we did against Dundee and I think the real goals will come.

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1 hour ago, JaketheSnake said:

We obviously need a proper striker and another centre back but the fullbacks are dire. Millen must be one of the tallest players in the squad but stays back for corners despite his worrying lack of pace. I know it's early days but he looks completely useless and we've got him for 2 years. With him and Dick starting every week I'm concerned. 

Millen concerns me much more than Dick. Dick can cover at  CB, and has Young behind him (if someone will get that laddie signed up for a full-time contract…cough, cough)…Millen is less versatile and has no direct cover (maybe Dick?) on the team. Here’s a thought, try Millen out at CB, given his height and somewhat ponderous nature, he might work…but then we need a real RB.

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1 hour ago, Enigma said:

Yeah. No doubt it can. Talk of relegation though is way, way too premature. We saw the same stuff last season an preceded to go on a fairly credible unbeaten run. Although we lost yesterday the performance did allay some of my fears.

I don’t have the stats to hand but if anybody does I’d be interested to know what our xG has been over the first two league games. Keep creating chances like we did against Dundee and I think the real goals will come.

Our xG for yesterday was 1.14 and Dundee’s was 1.44, and last week it was 1.83 and Cove’s was 2.29. 

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5 minutes ago, McGuigan1978 said:

Our xG for yesterday was 1.14 and Dundee’s was 1.44, and last week it was 1.83 and Cove’s was 2.29. 

Cheers. Unlucky not to have scored yesterday then.

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3 hours ago, CountryBumpkin said:

I'd heard last week that only Sim and Morgan went to Cove at board level. Chairman popped off on holiday, no one else went up. Seemed a poor show for the first game of the season more than anything else. But then if any are being shunned, which given how few are there already it feels more understandable. 

I spoke to the Fans Director and the S.L.O. at Cove last week. They were both in the away end and not " booted and suited". 

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11 minutes ago, grumswall said:
1 hour ago, McGuigan1978 said:
Our xG for yesterday was 1.14 and Dundee’s was 1.44, and last week it was 1.83 and Cove’s was 2.29. 

How is xG calculated?

Look here:

https://fbref.com/en/expected-goals-model-explained/
 

In short, the calculation depends upon any of a number of often proprietary models. Simple distillation (from above website):

What is xG?

Very simply, xG (or expected goals) is the probability that a shot will result in a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and the events leading up to it. Some of these characteristics/variables include:

Location of shooter: How far was it from the goal and at what angle on the pitch?

Body part: Was it a header or off the shooter's foot?

Type of pass: Was it from a through ball, cross, set piece, etc?

Type of attack: Was it from an established possession? Was it off a rebound? Did the defense have time to get in position? Did it follow a dribble?

 

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1 minute ago, TxRover said:

Look here:

https://fbref.com/en/expected-goals-model-explained/
 

In short, the calculation depends upon any of a number of often proprietary models. Simple distillation (from above website):

What is xG?

Very simply, xG (or expected goals) is the probability that a shot will result in a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and the events leading up to it. Some of these characteristics/variables include:

Location of shooter: How far was it from the goal and at what angle on the pitch?

Body part: Was it a header or off the shooter's foot?

Type of pass: Was it from a through ball, cross, set piece, etc?

Type of attack: Was it from an established possession? Was it off a rebound? Did the defense have time to get in position? Did it follow a dribble?

 

It misses out one key element: competence of the shooter. 

If that was factored in we would probably have a result of 0.05 for each game. 

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Just now, Ro Sham Bo said:

It misses out one key element: competence of the shooter. 

If that was factored in we would probably have a result of 0.05 for each game. 

As noted in the explanation:

“xG does not take into account the quality of player(s) involved in a particular play. It is an estimate of how the average player or team would perform in a similar situation.”

I’d suggest xG for Raith, outwith Vaughan, should be adjusted by multiplication by .1 or so.

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1 hour ago, TxRover said:

Millen concerns me much more than Dick. Dick can cover at  CB, and has Young behind him (if someone will get that laddie signed up for a full-time contract…cough, cough)…Millen is less versatile and has no direct cover (maybe Dick?) on the team. Here’s a thought, try Millen out at CB, given his height and somewhat ponderous nature, he might work…but then we need a real RB.

Playing a poor right back at centre half, is an absolutely wild shout. 

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Look here:
https://fbref.com/en/expected-goals-model-explained/
 
In short, the calculation depends upon any of a number of often proprietary models. Simple distillation (from above website):
What is xG?
Very simply, xG (or expected goals) is the probability that a shot will result in a goal based on the characteristics of that shot and the events leading up to it. Some of these characteristics/variables include:
Location of shooter: How far was it from the goal and at what angle on the pitch?
Body part: Was it a header or off the shooter's foot?
Type of pass: Was it from a through ball, cross, set piece, etc?
Type of attack: Was it from an established possession? Was it off a rebound? Did the defense have time to get in position? Did it follow a dribble?
 
Cheers tx.

As Calderón says, playing millen at cb is a terrible idea. Seems to be constantly out of position, too slow to actually get back in to a decent position and slows the play down too much. Basically he's a bit shit. Replacing tumilty was always going to be hard but he really isn't up to the task at this level. He actually makes dick look competent.

On the game yesterday O'riordan looked good, Nolan didn't really do much wrong but didnt look as good. Brown broke play up well and kept things simple which is good. Connolly worked his socks off as usual and was unlucky with his shot in the first half and fk. Gullan is not the striker we need although he worked hard and seemed to be annoying the Dundee cbs due to that. Ross had a lack of composure with his chance from the keepers slip but worked hard and looked the only one capable of doing something first half. Easton changed the dynamic of the game. We were able to play through the middle more instead of aimless punts into the channel. I liked that Murray went for it by throwing on more attackers but it did seem to stop a bit of momentum we had going. I felt a goal was coming up until he made the second and third sub.
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4 hours ago, Enigma said:

As for the “banter” aspect to our club, look in the club office and boardroom, not at the football side. Couldn’t even sell out our hospitality for our first home game….

 

3 hours ago, Michael W said:

This sort of thing quickly infests the rest of the operation. 

Too late I fear!

There's blatant elements of out and out ineptitude and a history of systematic lying been going on since before the start of last season. 

But if you can't fill hospitality on the opening home league game of the season against the title favourites then some very serious questions need asking, add in the numerous blank spaces in the track side advertising (19 I think) and it's not questions but P45's that need handing out. 

 

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51 minutes ago, CALDERON said:

Playing a poor right back at centre half, is an absolutely wild shout. 

 

13 minutes ago, grumswall said:

Cheers tx.

As Calderón says, playing millen at cb is a terrible idea. Seems to be constantly out of position, too slow to actually get back in to a decent position and slows the play down too much. Basically he's a bit shit. Replacing tumilty was always going to be hard but he really isn't up to the task at this level. He actually makes dick look competent.

Well, what do we do then? Millen is here two years, we could, I suppose, loan him out if we can find a replacement. He’s tall, a useful CB “talent”, he’s played CB on occasion, and he’s an experienced defender…why not try it out. Bene was no Nureyev either…and it’s not like we have another DM role to toss him into.

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Millen was supposedly Murray's main target for right back so we'll be stuck with him. We just need to hope he somehow comes onto a reasonable game. Even if he didn't, the fact Murray thought he was the answer at right back in the first place hardly breeds confidence in him being able to source a decent replacement anyway. 

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1 hour ago, Surely No said:

I spoke to the Fans Director and the S.L.O. at Cove last week. They were both in the away end and not " booted and suited". 

That is outrageous, other than Sim who has actually paid for a place on the board?

The Fan's rep has the same right's on the board as anyone else. Is this a case of disrespecting the FR because she's a woman? None of the previous ones were treated like that.

In fact if you think about it, if the other directors have no share holdings behind them then the FR actually has more rights than them. The CEO has a place at this table why? The CEO is a paid employee (I notice the CEO has a nice new Merc btw , must be on a good wage there) and as such they will do as they're told, to me that's out and out corruption or at the very least a conflict of interests. CEO needs to go, we have regressed since any of them came in but more in the last 12 months than even during Eric Drysdales tenure.

All in all? Just a fecking shambles of an operation

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