CALDERON Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 5 hours ago, raith1974 said: No, both have played at a level lower than the Championship. I'm talking about a player like a Cammy Fraser who played at a higher level dropping down to prologue his career, a Jimmy Nicholl, a Steven Anderson, a Christophe Berra all players that are bring leadership and a wealth of top level experience. Scott Brown has played in the Premiership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Rovers1992/1993 said: There’s been 1 league game. One league game. Who gives a f**k about the league cup group stage. See the amount of premiership teams that got knocked out of that at the group stage as well. It shows very few teams care about that cup. We have only qualified from the group stage in that cup once since it came in about 6 or 7 years ago. So take that out the equation, we have played one meaningful competitive game. And you’re calling for his head. I'm not calling for his head. I'm questioning whether he's the right man for the job. Based on what's gone on so far, I have my doubts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostZapper Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, raith1974 said: No, both have played at a level lower than the Championship. I'm talking about a player like a Cammy Fraser who played at a higher level dropping down to prologue his career, a Jimmy Nicholl, a Steven Anderson, a Christophe Berra all players that are bring leadership and a wealth of top level experience. Those kind of players cost a fair bit of money! Is there many even available??? Also, in terms of experience.... Did Scott Brown not play in European qualifiers and in the PL with St Johnstone? Or does that no count either? Edited August 5, 2022 by GhostZapper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith1974 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, GhostZapper said: Those kind of players cost a fair bit of money! Is there many even available??? Also, in terms of experience.... Did Scott Brown not play in European qualifiers and in the PL with St Johnstone? Or does that no count either? He made 19 appearances for St Johnstone over a 3 year period when he was about 20 Yr old, hardly the experience type I've quoted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, CALDERON said: I genuinely think a small element of our support thrive on things not going well. It’s so that come October we can tell you “we told you so”. It’s great fun. Seriously though, this season so far has all the signs of one that’s not going well. The fact the season has started and we’re still desperately hunting around for centre backs and coming up with 18 year olds on loan should tell folk that. Murray seems a decent enough spud though and he was one of the managers I wanted when we were all guessing who would get the job, so I won’t be calling for his sacking any time soon. Hopefully he can get a break and get the signings he needs to improve the team. Edited August 5, 2022 by Scary Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, raith1974 said: He made 19 appearances for St Johnstone over a 3 year period when he was about 20 Yr old, hardly the experience type I've quoted. 4 players quoted out of a 30 year period, shows how rare it is to get in players like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith1974 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 minute ago, CALDERON said: 4 players quoted out of a 30 year period, shows how rare it is to get in players like that. I'm not going to prepare a list but there are far more than 4 players. I was merely showing that throughout the time I've supported the club experienced players have signed and helped. Look at Steven Anderson made the defence instantly better. I'm all for an up and coming kid signing especially one with 11 appearance in League 1 down south but these players need an experienced head round them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, raith1974 said: I'm not going to prepare a list but there are far more than 4 players. I was merely showing that throughout the time I've supported the club experienced players have signed and helped. Look at Steven Anderson made the defence instantly better. I'm all for an up and coming kid signing especially one with 11 appearance in League 1 down south but these players need an experienced head round them. To be fair to the manager actually, I guess you could say he had that in Berra. The fact the latter decided to call it a day, after the season had started, is why he's having to rake around at the last minute to bring an 18 Yr old in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Been going too long Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, raith1974 said: I'm not going to prepare a list but there are far more than 4 players. I was merely showing that throughout the time I've supported the club experienced players have signed and helped. Look at Steven Anderson made the defence instantly better. I'm all for an up and coming kid signing especially one with 11 appearance in League 1 down south but these players need an experienced head round them. 9 minutes ago, CALDERON said: To be fair to the manager actually, I guess you could say he had that in Berra. The fact the latter decided to call it a day, after the season had started, is why he's having to rake around at the last minute to bring an 18 Yr old in. The only saving grace is we have a very experienced and good goalkeeper who should be able to work well with his back 4 and talk to them throughout the game 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith1974 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, Been going too long said: The only saving grace is we have a very experienced and good goalkeeper who should be able to work well with his back 4 and talk to them throughout the game We do have a very good and experienced keeper but I still think we need a spine. Nothing up front in terms of experience, nothing at CB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, CALDERON said: To be fair to the manager actually, I guess you could say he had that in Berra. The fact the latter decided to call it a day, after the season had started, is why he's having to rake around at the last minute to bring an 18 Yr old in. This is key. We had the absolute epitome of the kind of player raith1974 is talking about, until a week and a half ago. Even if the summer market was awash with experienced, higher level centre halfs, we didn't need another one. And just having a quick look at who's come in to the Championship over the summer, I'm not seeing anyone who fits that bill anyway, so it's not like we've missed out. In terms of players who might fit that archetype, I can only really think of Kirk Broadfoot, Liam Fontaine and Efe Ambrose? One went to the Lowland League, one to League One and the other remains unemployed. They've all got their faults, too, I'm not convinced any of them are up to Championship football any more. It's all well and good saying "we need a leader at the back, an experienced older head" but it's a bit like "we need a 20 goal a season striker". Everybody wants one, but they're few and far between. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Been going too long Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, raith1974 said: We do have a very good and experienced keeper but I still think we need a spine. Nothing up front in terms of experience, nothing at CB. I agree bud I’m fed up with it as well just trying to look at a positive in this and we have a good keeper, good midfield and some experienced players. Berra threw a spanner in the works definitely but Macdonald will definitely keep the defence right Edited August 5, 2022 by Been going too long 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Matthews and brown as captains then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rae2 Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Matthews and brown as captains then. Deserved for Mathews, player that puts his all into every game and is a bit of an unsung hero. Loyal player also. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I thinkmatthews and brown could be a solid midfield pairing that will do the ugly stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Raith Against The Machine Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Crewe Alexandra's mascot looks awfy peely wally. Could do with seeing a vet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 https://www.raithrovers.net/56294/connor-oriordan-joins-on-loan-from-crewe.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 It is bad when you sign an 18 year old on loan, knowing full well that we're going to be reliant on him. No pressure, then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Been going too long Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, Michael W said: It is bad when you sign an 18 year old on loan, knowing full well that we're going to be reliant on him. No pressure, then. We just have to support the lad , definitely not ideal but can forgive a mistake from him as he is raw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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