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37 minutes ago, Brashy's Boots said:

Cheers Renton. That'll be that then. Makes sense to remove a valuable revenue stream from clubs, eh?

JUST CHANGE YOUR VPN!! THAT SHOULD FIX IT

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1 hour ago, CountryBumpkin said:

Got to protect that 3pm Saturday tradition of no games allowed to be broadcast because...reasons. 

Totally agree with you, a valuable revenue stream gone because of nonsense tradition and old school rules 

It's got nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with football clubs who rely on live match attendance from their punters keeping that live match audience. Which means going to the ground and paying your way rather than inviting four of your mates over for a cheap swally instead. That's how the live events industry worked in 2019 and how it's going to work again now.

And of course if the blackout was lifted (as you want for reasons of narrow self-interest for Raith games) then it would also have to be lifted for the English leagues. And so Man United/City/Liverpool games would be getting beamed into half the pubs and homes in the country every Saturday at 3pm. Which might have an impact on crap Scottish Championship clubs getting customers into their grounds, watching a stream at all, and on getting the next generation of fans engaged.

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Yeah it’s in place for a reason, it’s to get people to go to the games and give clubs money. 

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44 minutes ago, virginton said:

It's got nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with football clubs who rely on live match attendance from their punters keeping that live match audience. Which means going to the ground and paying your way rather than inviting four of your mates over for a cheap swally instead. That's how the live events industry worked in 2019 and how it's going to work again now.

And of course if the blackout was lifted (as you want for reasons of narrow self-interest for Raith games) then it would also have to be lifted for the English leagues. And so Man United/City/Liverpool games would be getting beamed into half the pubs and homes in the country every Saturday at 3pm. Which might have an impact on crap Scottish Championship clubs getting customers into their grounds, watching a stream at all, and on getting the next generation of fans engaged.

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52 minutes ago, virginton said:

It's got nothing to do with tradition and everything to do with football clubs who rely on live match attendance from their punters keeping that live match audience. Which means going to the ground and paying your way rather than inviting four of your mates over for a cheap swally instead. That's how the live events industry worked in 2019 and how it's going to work again now.

And of course if the blackout was lifted (as you want for reasons of narrow self-interest for Raith games) then it would also have to be lifted for the English leagues. And so Man United/City/Liverpool games would be getting beamed into half the pubs and homes in the country every Saturday at 3pm. Which might have an impact on crap Scottish Championship clubs getting customers into their grounds, watching a stream at all, and on getting the next generation of fans engaged.

So yes, while I do agree with the points you've made, things have changed since 2019 sadly. Whether it be peoples willingness to go outside after Covid or due to the cost of living crisis the majority of the nation are being subjected to, clubs at all levels need to be able to adjust their match day experience to ensure that they retain as much of their audience as possible. There will be a number of people who can't afford the cost of a matchday live, transport, ticket(s) etc that would likely be more than willing to buy the live stream instead if it were available to them. Of course you want as many people as possible to be there watching it live in the ground, but thats potentially not as feasible as it once was unfortunately and things may have to change.

Additionally, while yes the blackout would need to be lifted across the whole country, the number of the "big draw" teams playing at 3pm on a Saturday now is minimal due to existing TV requirements, that would be unlikely to change given these stations want maximum attention on their chosen game anyway. 3pm on a Saturday is no longer match day at the bigger leagues so the impact it might have is potentially less than it was before.

It would be interesting to see club engagement figures from last season compared to this season come May next year to see if it did impact overall figures.

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2 hours ago, Brashy's Boots said:

Cheers Renton. That'll be that then. Makes sense to remove a valuable revenue stream from clubs, eh?

Apparently the clubs were agreeable to the continuation of live streaming, but Sky objected.

And guess who Neil Doncaster and his cohorts sided with?

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The number of big teams who play at 3pm Saturday is not 'minimal'. You can guarantee that any one of Man United, Man City, Liverpool, as well as Arsenal/Chelsea will have a home game against dross every week. These are almost never televised and so take place on a Saturday at 3pm. 

A live stream that enables one away fan to buy and then invite four of their mates over to watch it with them with a slab of cans is not extra revenue for any club - it is a loss. And when fans stop going to games, the remainder won't be able to fund transport and then the game's a bogey for all away attendances.

Live streaming has no place at a live event. 

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Just now, Specky Ginger said:

Apparently the clubs were agreeable to the continuation of live streaming, but Sky objected.

And guess who Neil Doncaster and his cohorts sided with?

The major sponsor that Raith and most other clubs would be bankrupt without their financial contribution? Scandal of the century!

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2 minutes ago, virginton said:

The number of big teams who play at 3pm Saturday is not 'minimal'. You can guarantee that any one of Man United, Man City, Liverpool, as well as Arsenal/Chelsea will have a home game against dross every week. These are almost never televised and so take place on a Saturday at 3pm. 

A live stream that enables one away fan to buy and then invite four of their mates over to watch it with them with a slab of cans is not extra revenue for any club - it is a loss. And when fans stop going to games, the remainder won't be able to fund transport and then the game's a bogey for all away attendances.

Live streaming has no place at a live event. 

In your humble opinion.

I have no intention of driving to Aberdeen to watch the Rovers play Cove. Doubt I ever will, but I'd happily buy a streaming ticket. So instead of getting zero from me, which is how much they'll get tomorrow and the next time we play them there, they'd get a tenner a time, or whatever the charge. Which is the opposite of a loss.

Yes of course, if everyone had that attitude matchday ground attendances would be affected, but they don't. 

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27 minutes ago, Brashy's Boots said:

Yes of course, if everyone had that attitude matchday ground attendances would be affected, but they don't. 

That claim is based on barely six months worth of evidence, immediately following a time when all fans were literally banned from watching games in person since March 2020. 

Hardly the most convincing claim that attendance patterns will not change if streaming was allowed in the future. But luckily it isn't and so clubs won't bankrupt themselves by dismantling their already rickety business model.

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3 minutes ago, virginton said:

That claim is based on barely six months worth of evidence, immediately following a time when all fans were literally banned from watching games in person since March 2020. 

Hardly the most convincing claim that attendance patterns will not change if streaming was allowed in the future. But luckily it isn't and so clubs won't bankrupt themselves by dismantling their already rickety business model.

I didn't claim attendance patterns wouldn't change if streaming was allowed. I said if everyone had my attitude, they would. And then I said they don't. All have my attitude, that is.

Please pay attention.

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Televised football has played a major role in killing attendences. 

If you green light televising/streaming lesser league stuff where does it stop? Also players thrive on atmosphere, most hated playing to empty stands. 

I've long said we should move to a summer season but if you can't persuade fans to attend in good weather perhaps we should just call it a day. 

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Televised football has played a major role in killing attendences. 
If you green light televising/streaming lesser league stuff where does it stop? Also players thrive on atmosphere, most hated playing to empty stands. 
I've long said we should move to a summer season but if you can't persuade fans to attend in good weather perhaps we should just call it a day. 
It's nothing to do with persuading fans. It's all about two clubs and European football not willing to change.
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Had a horrible dream that we got an absolute doing and the new players Murray brought in we’re absolute dug meat. I hate dreams like that😝😝. Anyway happy new day of the season folks

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9 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said:

Had a horrible dream that we got an absolute doing and the new players Murray brought in we’re absolute dug meat. I hate dreams like that😝😝. Anyway happy new day of the season folks

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Had a great dream last night that we pumped Cove and all of Murray's new signings were swift recipients of multimillion pound offers from PSG, Barca and that, they were that good. 

Dario Zanatta played like Gordon Dalziel and didn't do one step-over!

Everybody clapped.  👏 

A happy season to us all, God bless us, everyone. 

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5 minutes ago, Ebanda's Handyman Services said:

Had a great dream last night that we pumped Cove and all of Murray's new signings were swift recipients of multimillion pound offers from PSG, Barca and that, they were that good. 

Dario Zanatta played like Gordon Dalziel and didn't do one step-over!

Everybody clapped.  👏 

A happy season to us all, God bless us, everyone. 

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