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I think we’re blinded by ambition. The next manager needs to consolidate, not promote, the team position. Raith still has significant debt, we’ve added community problems and pissed off a decent percentage of the fan base. We need a team manager who can firm us into a mid to upper Championship side while rebuilding community and fan base ties. Meanwhile, Sim will be developing SP, and hopeful shutting his gob. After the Rovers are stabilized, and in a better place financially, then we can make a genuine effort for promotion.
When will Raith be in a better place Financially. We are over £1m in debt and own f**k all of what we play on. You'll never get a decent base support if the warcry is "Aye, well, we'll just lumber around midtable, take yer money and pretend to clear debt.". Even a year or do in the top league will struggle to clear it as you'd have to pay promotion bonuses then you have to bring in higher earning players to compete.
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17 minutes ago, foreverarover said:

When will Raith be in a better place Financially. We are over £1m in debt and own f**k all of what we play on. You'll never get a decent base support if the warcry is "Aye, well, we'll just lumber around midtable, take yer money and pretend to clear debt.". Even a year or do in the top league will struggle to clear it as you'd have to pay promotion bonuses then you have to bring in higher earning players to compete.

The previous trips to the top division saw us get a significant uplift in fans. I recall the 1997/98 season back down in the First Division (aka Championship). A bunch of us travelled through to Stirling Albion for the opening game (a 1-1 draw) and we couldn’t get in the stand and had to go on the terracing. We jumped on a bin and jumped the wall into the empty home terracing then got a police escort round to the away terracing (I am all in favour of free entry). The crowd was 2159. When we played Stirling Albion in the home fixture there were 3280 in Starks. These are games with Stirling Albion. I definitely preferred being a Premiership/Championship yo-yo team. Hopefully we can get back to that someday.

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The previous trips to the top division saw us get a significant uplift in fans. I recall the 1997/98 season back down in the First Division (aka Championship). A bunch of us travelled through to Stirling Albion for the opening game (a 1-1 draw) and we couldn’t get in the stand and had to go on the terracing. We jumped on a bin and jumped the wall into the empty home terracing then got a police escort round to the away terracing (I am all in favour of free entry). The crowd was 2159. When we played Stirling Albion in the home fixture there were 3280 in Starks. These are games with Stirling Albion. I definitely preferred being a Premiership/Championship yo-yo team. Hopefully we can get back to that someday.
It couldn't come at a worse time. Folk just now are having to spend money set aside on 50p per litre increases in petrol and diesel. Hundreds of pounds a year in fuel. Im thinking the uptake unless its top manger will be half of past seasons tbh.
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4 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:
The previous trips to the top division saw us get a significant uplift in fans. I recall the 1997/98 season back down in the First Division (aka Championship). A bunch of us travelled through to Stirling Albion for the opening game (a 1-1 draw) and we couldn’t get in the stand and had to go on the terracing. We jumped on a bin and jumped the wall into the empty home terracing then got a police escort round to the away terracing (I am all in favour of free entry). The crowd was 2159. When we played Stirling Albion in the home fixture there were 3280 in Starks. These are games with Stirling Albion. I definitely preferred being a Premiership/Championship yo-yo team. Hopefully we can get back to that someday.

It couldn't come at a worse time. Folk just now are having to spend money set aside on 50p per litre increases in petrol and diesel. Hundreds of pounds a year in fuel. Im thinking the uptake unless its top manger will be half of past seasons tbh.

No matter what league we’re in, the current cost of living crisis is going to have an effect. Everything has gone up massively in price so disposal income isn’t going to be a thing for a lot of people. 

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1 hour ago, Scary Bear said:

No matter what league we’re in, the current cost of living crisis is going to have an effect. Everything has gone up massively in price so disposal income isn’t going to be a thing for a lot of people. 

A solid point, and a chance for the club to reconnect with the community by offering some options. Surely options for partial ST’s or buy three tickets, get one free to a match might cost a small amount of revenue but increase attendance. It’s not the simplest to run, but with the ticketing upgrades, it’s quite doable. Maybe drop the prices on child and youth tickets?

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12 hours ago, Brashy's Boots said:

Well I think it's fair to say that name caught us out a bit. We have no objective view on how good he is, other than having a not unexpected nightmare at a car crash club - Cowdenbeath. Speaking of which, anyone going along to Central Park on Saturday?

 

8 hours ago, Specky Ginger said:

I half thought about it.

Would have gone along to support Cowdenbeath if they had any realistic chance of pulling it round, but really don't want to be there to see them drop out of the league.

I'd be delighted if they turn it around and for the second Saturday in a row I'm cursing myself for not attending a game in West Fife.

£10 PPV

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f**k this consolidation malarkey. We have players signed up good enough to challenge for promotion. What we need is a manager who can identify and add whats needed and get them playing in a way that realises this. McGlynn couldn't do it and is now gone. I don't know who on the shortlist will be able to do it but the board in their interviews should absolutely be demanding a promotion challenge of the new boss. The new boss should be demanding it of themselves. There is nothing in the league to fear next season. It will be competitive yes but we've as good a chance as anyone else.

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So today is D day for the applications. You’d like to assume that anyone who wanted the job would have applied by now and not left it to the last minute. The board have already begun the interviews so let’s hope for an appointment by the beginning of next week.

I see Dundee have hinted at a management restructure next season, I wonder if Thomson will hold out for that one?

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6 hours ago, Double Jack D said:

f**k this consolidation malarkey. We have players signed up good enough to challenge for promotion. What we need is a manager who can identify and add whats needed and get them playing in a way that realises this. McGlynn couldn't do it and is now gone. I don't know who on the shortlist will be able to do it but the board in their interviews should absolutely be demanding a promotion challenge of the new boss. The new boss should be demanding it of themselves. There is nothing in the league to fear next season. It will be competitive yes but we've as good a chance as anyone else.

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8 hours ago, Double Jack D said:

There is nothing in the league to fear next season. It will be competitive yes but we've as good a chance as anyone else.

Absolutely your right to hope for more, but…

1) We’re already behind in signing players for next year, and several possibilities we could use will likely be gone before we even get a new gaffer in.

2) The current signed team comprises: 3 keepers (MacDonald, Thompson, Bow), 2 CB (Berra, Masson) and 1 CB in December or so (Lang), 2 LB (Dick and Young), 0 RB, 3 Midfielders (Arnott, Stanton and Matthews), 8 Attackers/Wingers (Connolly, Coulson Gullan, Mahady, Mitchell, Ross, Vaughan (hopefully), Zanatta). Of those players, we can not expect Masson, Coulson or Mahady to contribute, and Mitchell is unlikely to contribute. Young isn’t ready to start yet, Arnott probably is.

3) Multiple reports suggest a reduced playing budget, so whomever comes in will be forced to pick carefully who he/she brings in, as several positions are critically thin/absent in the currently signed team.

4) It is unlikely we can find a near like replacement for Tumilty at RB, Spencer would be a tough act to follow if he leaves, and where are we going to find at least one starting CB?
 

None of this is being addressed until we get the new manager in, so I don’t mind looking for consolidation, sorry.

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29 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Well, if ever a game of football could sum up the standard of the Championship this season, it was that guff at Gayfield tonight. 

 

I turned off at HT. unwatchable.

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5 hours ago, TxRover said:

Absolutely your right to hope for more, but…

1) We’re already behind in signing players for next year, and several possibilities we could use will likely be gone before we even get a new gaffer in.

2) The current signed team comprises: 3 keepers (MacDonald, Thompson, Bow), 2 CB (Berra, Masson) and 1 CB in December or so (Lang), 2 LB (Dick and Young), 0 RB, 3 Midfielders (Arnott, Stanton and Matthews), 8 Attackers/Wingers (Connolly, Coulson Gullan, Mahady, Mitchell, Ross, Vaughan (hopefully), Zanatta). Of those players, we can not expect Masson, Coulson or Mahady to contribute, and Mitchell is unlikely to contribute. Young isn’t ready to start yet, Arnott probably is.

3) Multiple reports suggest a reduced playing budget, so whomever comes in will be forced to pick carefully who he/she brings in, as several positions are critically thin/absent in the currently signed team.

4) It is unlikely we can find a near like replacement for Tumilty at RB, Spencer would be a tough act to follow if he leaves, and where are we going to find at least one starting CB?
 

None of this is being addressed until we get the new manager in, so I don’t mind looking for consolidation, sorry.

Tumilty away? How’ve I missed that. Where’s he went ?

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Absolutely your right to hope for more, but…
1) We’re already behind in signing players for next year, and several possibilities we could use will likely be gone before we even get a new gaffer in.


Have I missed something?

Who have Hamilton signed?
Who have Morton signed?
What about Ayr?
Partick? I know of 1 player they signed on a PCA from the league below.

We’re hardly far behind the other teams in this league( that their seasons are over) in signing players.
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1 hour ago, RAITHROVERS84 said:

Tumilty away? How’ve I missed that. Where’s he went ?

He’s out of contract, the list was of contracted players.

1 hour ago, Rovers1992/1993 said:


Have I missed something?

Who have Hamilton signed?
Who have Morton signed?
What about Ayr?
Partick? I know of 1 player they signed on a PCA from the league below.

We’re hardly far behind the other teams in this league( that their seasons are over) in signing players.

We’re miles behind. If you think for a second that Action isn’t ongoing all over Scottish football, you”re kidding yourself. The agents of players out of contract have been calling coaches since January, nothing in the rules prevents that (SPFL Rules, Annex 1, #27-30). PCA’s are statements of intent, liked by club because they signal things, but are only good for a player when he clearly knows where he wants to go and isn’t interested in other offers. Tumilty will be in demand, his agent has probably already fielded interest from several teams, and informed Tumilty of the interest. He hasn’t signed the offer Raith tendered him, that should make his departure pretty clear, without it being June yet.

While it is correct those other teams haven’t “signed” players, you know as well as I do that a whole load of signings will be announced less than three weeks from now, and it’s no use pretending that was all negotiated post 31 May, 2022. Without a manager, we don’t even know which of our current players might be surplus to requirements and what system we may wish to implement, so we’re very unlikely to have approached anyone.

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On 12/05/2022 at 17:02, Brashy's Boots said:
On 12/05/2022 at 16:54, CALDERON said:
I don't doubt Fox has learned etc, but appointing a manager who managed a team to the bottom of the SPFL in his last gig is a tough sell.  

This. I didn't want to appear negative but if I've got company, it's not so bad.

Yet you dismiss mcpake without thought even though he has a promotion from our league. Liam will have learned a lot in the time he’s worked at hearts,Livingston and Dundee United. 

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Yet you dismiss mcpake without thought even though he has a promotion from our league. Liam will have learned a lot in the time he’s worked at hearts,Livingston and Dundee United. 
Who? Me?
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