The New Raith Rovers Thread

[Scary Bear]

13 minutes ago, Double Jack D said:

The place to start is with the board. 

The four remaining gone, the two who resigned offered back. I'd love us to do whatever required to get McDermid on board as that would start to heal a lot of the wounds and increasing the fans representatives on it would be a good start.

If we get the board right, I'd be happy for them to take a view on McGlynn. I would be amazed if he is still manager at the start of next season.

I’m not sure how our club works but isn’t a Chief Exec normally responsible for the running of a company with the Board rubber stamping the Chief Execs decisions?

[DA Baracus]

I think it's a bit naive hoping that inviting those who left the Raith board will result in their return after the insincere apology of yesterday. It's especially naive to think McDermid will return.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but seems like there would need to be significant changes before those people even considered it, and there haven't even been rumours of such changes yet.

[GreenockRover]

1 hour ago, HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows said:

You're board signed a rapist m9.

No shit Sherlock...? 

Not much added by your incisive contribution there and clearly your rage typing fucked up the 'mate' sarcasm attempt.

Never mind.

Cant wait for your next attempt at serious discussion.

 

[Been going too long]

9 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

I can understand some who say let McGlynn see out his contract (end of the season) for continuity during this and to save having to potentially pay another person off and I see where you’re coming from. The problem is what then happens if we suddenly go on a run and end being promoted? would all be forgiven? There would be sections singing his name a demanding his contract extended. Hardly a good look after all this and a terrible message being sent out about our morals. 

No I won’t be singing his name and even if he did get promotion I still think he should leave, only suggested he stay to help the players already there as they don’t deserve this. 

[Michael W]

24 minutes ago, Double Jack D said:

The place to start is with the board. 

The four remaining gone, the two who resigned offered back. I'd love us to do whatever required to get McDermid on board as that would start to heal a lot of the wounds and increasing the fans representatives on it would be a good start.

If we get the board right, I'd be happy for them to take a view on McGlynn. I would be amazed if he is still manager at the start of next season.

This is one of the unknowns as to how much of the damage can be undone isn't it? Would Val be happy to return? I am not sure that she would, at least not whilst the existing board is in place. Maybe she's done forever, I don't know. 

From our own perspective, she is amongst a very, very small handful of people who:

1) Support the club; and

2) Have the financial means that they could use to effect some change another club. 

It is incredibly frustrating the way we have pissed her off as she could really help us start to put right some of this damage. 

Edited February 4, 2022 by Michael W

[Jilted John]

I’d like to see what Val plans on doing next. She was instrumental in getting this the media coverage it needed.

She cares a lot about the club and it’s on its knees at the moment. Will she be as proactive in helping us back up? I certainly hope she will play a part.

[San Starko Rover]

For me McGlynn goes as soon as possible, no tears no sentiment he is majorly responsible here probably only second behind the Chairman. I appreciate we can’t sack all immediately as someone has to run the club. The board will have to stay until someone like Bill Clark can organise replacements.  As I said above all would be forgot quickly be some if we start winning and choruses of “Super John McGlynn” belted out. The fans of other clubs are looking at it without the same tinted glasses we have and they are pretty much all say he needs to go and that speaks volumes. I’d don’t buy any ulterior motives to weaken us on the pitch as someone above suggested as only yesterday these fans were right behind us in fighting this.  

[Brashy's Boots]

Strong Kyle Benedictus vibes from the Raith support last night and this morning.

"Mcglynn has our full backing" - Raith support

Is that you straight back into shite patter mode, aye?

[ribzanelli]

I guess it is a sign that things are starting to at least head back towards a bit of normality now that we have Falkirk-based whataboutery and deliberate misinterpretation of posts for point scoring purposes

[San Starko Rover]

10 minutes ago, Been going too long said:

No I won’t be singing his name and even if he did get promotion I still think he should leave, only suggested he stay to help the players already there as they don’t deserve this. 

Yes but that’s just you and You’ve obviously got an unwavering stance, we saw people interviewed who were happy to sign Goodwilie. There’s some fans who would soon want him to stay sadly.  

Edited February 4, 2022 by San Starko Rover

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8 minutes ago, Jilted John said:

I’d like to see what Val plans on doing next. She was instrumental in getting this the media coverage it needed.

She cares a lot about the club and it’s on its knees at the moment. Will she be as proactive in helping us back up? I certainly hope she will play a part.

Why would she help the club back up when the manager and board that brought him in are still there.

However that misses the point of 

"Club signs rapist" is a bigger story than "Club puts rapist on gardening leave, board and manager remain"

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

1 hour ago, gav-ffc said:

From the outside I don’t think he should be sacked as that’s another pay off coming out of your club, he should be walking ( should’ve already) and not be taking a pay off.

When Barry Smith resigned the club still mysteriously had to pay him the remainder of his contract, I don't think the board would have changed when they employed John, they would have just taken the template contract and got him to sign it.

[San Starko Rover]

1 minute ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

When Barry Smith resigned the club still mysteriously had to pay him the remainder of his contract, I don't think the board would have changed when they employed John, they would have just taken the template contract and got him to sign it.

McGlynn could and should refuse to accept any pay off even if it’s in the contract. 

[forkboy]

16 minutes ago, Jilted John said:

I’d like to see what Val plans on doing next. She was instrumental in getting this the media coverage it needed.

She cares a lot about the club and it’s on its knees at the moment. Will she be as proactive in helping us back up? I certainly hope she will play a part.

Val McDermaid owes Raith Rovers nothing, she's poured huge sums of cash & personal time into the club & then the CEO lied to her face about not planning to sign the man found guilty in court of rape.

Absolute brass neck to act like she's somehow failing morally to just shrug her shoulders coz the rapist (who isn't gone & is clearly still on the wage bill) won't play a game. The CEO who lied to her face is still there, the board who signed off on it are still there, the manager who thought it was a good idea is still there.

Getting shot of Goodwillie was never going to be enough because it doesn't come close to addressing the institutional failings that allowed the signing to happen. Even if you ignore the moral failures, which we shouldn't, the contempt for leading sponsors, disregard for the fan representative on the board & just failing to consider the obvious PR fallout of signing a rapist who has shown no sign of remorse or repentance is incredibly bad stewardship of the club.

[San Starko Rover]

24 minutes ago, Been going too long said:

No I won’t be singing his name and even if he did get promotion I still think he should leave, only suggested he stay to help the players already there as they don’t deserve this. 

Hope my other post didn’t come across as having a go at you, I’m sure you’re a man of principal and would stick to your guns. Just trying to point out others are less so just look how many Clyde fans would have Goodwilllie back. Certainly at the moment we’ve all got strong opinions how to proceed. 

[Broken Algorithms]

I think Val McDermid is done with Raith Rovers.

100% and I don't blame her.

Val has never struck me as being anything other than someone who absolutely loves our club and her family ties with it. She's put in a tonne of money sponsoring in pretty much every form imaginable. Its unarguable that she'll have benefited both commercially and from a stature point of view.

But it has to be said that she's not your typical high profile fan: she's a proper regular and she's the furthest thing away from a box ticking exercise to use in the press you could get.

Over the last month, I've seen so many daft wee lads trying to get a rise out of her online. It's absolutely bizarre that people somehow see her in a negative light.

From what I know, both she and TAG games will back what was our women's team going forward. I can completely understand if she decided to avoid the Rovers in future.

[mrpaddyx]

30 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I think it's a bit naive hoping that inviting those who left the Raith board will result in their return after the insincere apology of yesterday. It's especially naive to think McDermid will return.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but seems like there would need to be significant changes before those people even considered it, and there haven't even been rumours of such changes yet.

I’d like to see McDermid return in some capacity but I’d understand it if she wanted nothing to do with the club in the future. 
 

McGlynn is gone, whether it’s now or when his contract ends in the summer. Ideally he would leave straight away but we would still have to pay his contract and we already have a situation with Goodwillie’s contract to deal with. 
 

I think it’s likely the club will just muddle on till the Summer and we can hopefully have some wholesale changes on the board and management then. 

[TheScarf]

7 minutes ago, forkboy said:

Val McDermaid owes Raith Rovers nothing, she's poured huge sums of cash & personal time into the club & then the CEO lied to her face about not planning to sign the man found guilty in court of rape.

Absolute brass neck to act like she's somehow failing morally to just shrug her shoulders coz the rapist (who isn't gone & is clearly still on the wage bill) won't play a game. The CEO who lied to her face is still there, the board who signed off on it are still there, the manager who thought it was a good idea is still there.

Getting shot of Goodwillie was never going to be enough because it doesn't come close to addressing the institutional failings that allowed the signing to happen. Even if you ignore the moral failures, which we shouldn't, the contempt for leading sponsors, disregard for the fan representative on the board & just failing to consider the obvious PR fallout of signing a rapist who has shown no sign of remorse or repentance is incredibly bad stewardship of the club.

Yep, McDermid isn't going to come shuffling back as soon as Goodwillie's contract is terminated.  The Rovers board are going to have to, probably fairly quickly, find a new main sponsor.

1 minute ago, Broken Algorithms said:

100% and I don't blame her.

Val has never struck me as being anything other than someone who absolutely loves our club and her family ties with it. She's put in a tonne of money sponsoring in pretty much every form imaginable. Its unarguable that she'll have benefited both commercially and from a stature point of view.

But it has to be said that she's not your typical high profile fan: she's a proper regular and she's the furthest thing away from a box ticking exercise to use in the press you could get.

Over the last month, I've seen so many daft wee lads trying to get a rise out of her online. It's absolutely bizarre that people somehow see her in a negative light.

From what I know, both she and TAG games will back what was our women's team going forward. I can completely understand if she decided to avoid the Rovers in future.

Indeed, I think some on here are clinging onto the hope that she will come back and that's a huge chunk of money for the club again.  That money is gone IMO.

[San Starko Rover]

2 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said:

100% and I don't blame her.

Val has never struck me as being anything other than someone who absolutely loves our club and her family ties with it. She's put in a tonne of money sponsoring in pretty much every form imaginable. Its unarguable that she'll have benefited both commercially and from a stature point of view.

But it has to be said that she's not your typical high profile fan: she's a proper regular and she's the furthest thing away from a box ticking exercise to use in the press you could get.

Over the last month, I've seen so many daft wee lads trying to get a rise out of her online. It's absolutely bizarre that people somehow see her in a negative light.

From what I know, both she and TAG games will back what was our women's team going forward. I can completely understand if she decided to avoid the Rovers in future.

I’m not 100%, I think we’ve a slight chance to get her back if and only if we remove everyone involved. As you say she’s a Rovers fan the same as the rest of us and blames the individuals involved she also seems quite heartened by the response of the staff and supporters. 
 

She may be done and she may reconsider we won’t know until we try. Personally I’d be delighted to have her back as a just a fan even if she never put another Penny of sponsorship into us. I’m more sad to lose her as a lifelong fan than a sponsor.  

[PB1994]

I presume, before this transfer, McGlynn would have been nailed on for a contract extension? I know everything has changed from the fans point of view but will the board not still have every intention of offering him a new contract?

What would the reaction be like if he signed a new deal?