RandomGuy. Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, ribzanelli said: As has been said, it is black and white for non Raith fans. In truth all the things you have just categorically stated as being ‘clear’ are not actually clear at all, although granted they are fairly likely. Nobody is shifting blame off him at all and just wanting to welcome him back, simply looking for an explanation in the first instance before confirming an opinion that is 95% confirmed anyway. It's a 100% fact that John McGlynn is the reason Goodwillie was an option. There's no debate to be had there. Do you honestly believe, in the knowledge there were board members questioning the signing at all, that he didn't sell Goodwillie to them? Raith fans circling the wagons to protect McGlynn are being horrendous hypocrites here. You can't have this both ways. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, gav-ffc said: From the outside I don’t think he should be sacked as that’s another pay off coming out of your club, he should be walking ( should’ve already) and not be taking a pay off. Weren’t Falkirk rumoured to be interested too? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Raith fans circling the wagons to protect McGlynn are being horrendous hypocrites here. You can't have this both ways. Not seen anyone doing that. Most I’ve seen is folk saying ‘!et’s hear what he has to say for himself before making the decision to bin him’. Many want him gone at some point, including myself. I’d probably give him to the end of the season for some continuity and stability on the field and to avoid costing the club yet more money. Edited February 4, 2022 by roverthemoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CM. Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jilted John said: Weren’t Falkirk rumoured to be interested too? Had bids rejected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: It's a 100% fact that John McGlynn is the reason Goodwillie was an option. There's no debate to be had there. Do you honestly believe, in the knowledge there were board members questioning the signing at all, that he didn't sell Goodwillie to them? Raith fans circling the wagons to protect McGlynn are being horrendous hypocrites here. You can't have this both ways. Its almost certainly the case, although it wouldn’t be the first time a promotion hungry chairman went rogue in the signing department. I’m 95% certain he has to go but I’ve got a small window in which I’m willing to listen, that’s all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, CM. said: Had bids rejected. Most Falkirk fans breaking out in a cold sweat now thinking about if those bids were accepted. A true sliding doors moment. Imagine the Raith Rovers we’d have now if he’d gone to Falkirk instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, stevoraith said: Nope, you’ve missed the point. It’s not because he’s ‘done well for Raith’ in a footballing sense. That’s the same as ‘he’ll score goals’. It’s because of all the good he’s done around the club in general. He’s been a massive part of making the club the part of the community it has (had?) become. He’s instilled a sense of pride at following this club. He’s worked hard at a million things that make the club better but are never seen on a Saturday afternoon (fixing roof racks on the minibus, sorting showers, painting changing rooms etc are all things that insiders have mentioned him doing). It’s all these things that make us think he’s sitting in his house right now with his head in his hands wondering why he was so stupid, rather than fuming that he’s lost his star striker over a storm in a teacup. Of course we don’t know which of those he’s feeling, we can only guess based on our judgement of his previous character- that’s why we need him to speak out. And that’s why it’s not black and white for a lot of Raith fans. All the reasons make it more inexplicable that he signed a rapist. Had it just been another manager who spins round Scottish clubs then I could almost buy the "he wanted to get promoted at all costs" McGlynn by I think ever rovers fans admission gets the club and worked hard the the community. He chucked all that work and the work of many many other on the bonfire for goals. For him to remain in post would be a mistake, hell even for him to remain in your "hall of fame" when others have left because of his actions is a joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Gigi Alabocheré said: Your manager wanted to sign a rapist ya mad man. So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too? I went to Broadwood in our league one seasons. Should I be banned for contributing to his wages? Where does it all stop? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant228 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 34 minutes ago, Jilted John said: I also wonder how many of the fans of other teams who are demanding we hound the manager out are being genuine in their comments or are actually here to try and add to the turmoil? Aye, fans of the other teams also only wanted you to get rid of Goodwillie because he was a good striker, christ. 3 minutes ago, Jilted John said: So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too? I went to Broadwood in our league one seasons. Should I be banned for contributing to his wages? Where does it all stop? Christ, now we've got Raith fans with the "Why wasn't such a fuss made when he signed for Clyde". We've came full circle. John McGlynn is a rape apologist, he is the prime reason Goodwillie is at your club, his pre and post match interviews were an absolute disgrace and an opportunity to apologise, to come clean. As it is if Goodwillie didn't have an injury he would've played for your club, and that's on McGlynn, because he's a rape apologist. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 At this moment I just can't see past how badly the board and management have messed up years of good work. We have an eminently likeable squad, the closeness between the supporters and the club was as good as it's been in decades and everyone seemed to be pushing in the right direction. People felt part of the club and finally we'd reached a true community feel about the place that had been talked about for years but never achieved. One ridiculous, unforgivable decision has ruined all of that and here we are back at square one again. John McGlynn has done great things for this club but he's every bit as culpable as the board. Maybe more so if he's pushed for that transfer to go through. Personally, I can't ever forgive that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jilted John said: Weren’t Falkirk rumoured to be interested too? That’s been covered extensively so you know we bid for him but I don’t know what that’s got to do with me saying mcglynn should resign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 All the reasons make it more inexplicable that he signed a rapist. This part is very true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, renton said: Otherwise, for me I think the most practical way out is to limp to the end of the season. Win enough to not get relegated and let McGlynn and Smith go at the end of their contracts. In the meantime however, there needs to be quicker action in refashioning the board to allow for a rebuilding of the club from a corporate level and to quickly get in the hunt for a new management team. I don't imagine any half decent managent candidates would fancy working under the conditions part created by the current board. So, in the short term I'd like McArtney to be told she is going with McGlynn and Smith, for Sim to accept he cannot continue as chairman and step back (we cannot realistically get rid of him) to increase the size of the board from the current 4 to 8, to add a second elected fans representative director - I don't care if the level of holding held by the trust is adequate or not, we are owed. The other two slots to include a new chairperson. Diversity of views within the Rovers community and a broader outlook should be paramount in choosing new representatives to run the club. Fully agree with this. McGlynn and Smith take care of themselves and it's the board where the efforts need to be focused. Just incase the board think they can buy favour again by extending McGlynn and Smith - just don't bother. On Sim, it's further occurred to me as well that whilst he's now the Global Chair of an Accountancy firm, he was by trade an Auditor. He himself ought to know that his role as Chairman represents very bad corporate governance. There's an article in The Courier today about our finances. As one may imagine, they are bad. Those culpable in this horrendous saga have gone and taken another massive shit on our balance sheet. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/2977113/raith-rovers-david-goodwillie-finances-john-sim/ Edited February 4, 2022 by Michael W 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raith Against The Machine Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I think it's disingenuous to suggest that the Rovers fans in this thread - most of whom have gone to some length to try and spell out their position - hope to find a way through this for John McGlynn because he's a good football manager. Now, obviously he is a good football manager and that's the reason why he's been here so long, but this isn't about keeping John McGlynn so we can win 2-0 next week, or put this behind us and get promoted next season. Someone asked if it would be the same if it was Gary Locke. And it wouldn't. Gary Locke would be hounded out the door immediately. As would any other Rovers manager of the last 20 years. Maybe that's hypocritical, if so, so be it. I think there's maybe two or three other managers in the country who could potentially make such a serious misjudgement and be offered some sliver of consideration. Dick Campbell, certainly. Maybe Jim McInally and Stewart Petrie? When it comes to John McGlynn, there's a huge cache of history that can be taken into account when judging his position. And that should be taken into account. Again, this is by no means letting John McGlynn off the hook. As of right now I'm still firmly in the camp that he should go. I won't be at Stark's on Saturday. I think the best course of action for everyone is probably that he announces he'll be stepping down at the end of the season. But if he's genuinely and sincerely sorry, if he can recognise the hurt that he's caused, and if he actually wants to stay, I think he's earned the right to be considered a part of the rebuild. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I really don't think now is the time to get involved in whataboutery with other clubs.Rovers are the only ones who pulled the trigger on the move. I understand the bias some people have but I think McGlynn's position is untenable and an apology is the bare minimum he could do. This time last week if you'd asked 99% of our fans and we'd probably be in statue building territory. He's completely tainted all the hard work he's done, and I can't express how disappointed I am that someone I had so much respect for thought that scoring goals was more important than the message that we were sending out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jilted John said: So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too? Falkirk have been well established, but where are you getting this about us and Livi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 53 minutes ago, Jilted John said: I also wonder how many of the fans of other teams who are demanding we hound the manager out are being genuine in their comments or are actually here to try and add to the turmoil? 32 minutes ago, Jilted John said: Weren’t Falkirk rumoured to be interested too? 21 minutes ago, Jilted John said: So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too? I went to Broadwood in our league one seasons. Should I be banned for contributing to his wages? Where does it all stop? Stunning levels of whataboutery here. Have you considered supporting one of the Old Firm? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 A purge would go a long way to repair the damage. But how to achieve it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thruthenight Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, Jilted John said: So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too? I went to Broadwood in our league one seasons. Should I be banned for contributing to his wages? Where does it all stop? I mean including Livi in this is a little disingeneous. There was a twitter rumour and our CEO came out the very same day and said 'No fucking way while I'm in charge' and that was that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagtastic Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jilted John said: So did the managers of Falkirk, Partick and Livingston. Should they all be sacked for wanting to sign him too? I went to Broadwood in our league one seasons. Should I be banned for contributing to his wages? Where does it all stop? Bullshit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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