The New Raith Rovers Thread

[GoldenNuggets_YeeHaa]

I would never ever be at SP if I were a decent supporter. The most worrying thing for me is the lack of understanding and/or sympathy from some of the Raith fans. Why why why on earth are people comparing it to assault and drugs etc?! Because people choose to deal drugs and people fight for a million reasons but nobody chooses to be raped! I usually take atleast 1 child to games whether it be my son or nephew but I couldn't possibly if It were me. Majority of fans are obviously good people but seriously how many turned up last night? How many came on here slating everything about the club but still turned up? It's not even a case of football rivalry anymore, I just want to know I am around decent enough people when going to the football on a Saturday. Not just Raith but some fans have absolutely rattled my brain in terms of acceptance of this is our society. Some IP addresses need passed onto the police and the person under observation until death. Horrible situation and my heart goes out to all decent football fans whenever you are. We need to keep our woman and children safe. 

[GoldenNuggets_YeeHaa]

45 minutes ago, zicoromaines said:

not really got a point, just funny how very similar things have different meanings and cause different reactions from different people. The German boy is found guilty in a court of law but can move to France and be paid £40,000 a week to play for one of the most decorated teams in the country

Ronaldo has paid his way out of trouble so is celebrated worldwide still as a great footballer and role model to millions

Goodwillie wasn’t convicted, he was found to probably be guilty of taking advantage of a drunk girl who likely didn’t give proper consent he has always claimed his innocence, he has kept his head down for a decade since

they might all be guilty, they unlikely are all innocent but Ronaldo gets to get on with it because he pays and is who he is, Boateng gets to swan about Europe, playing champions league and europa league earning millions but Goodwillie can’t move from Clyde where he has been for years to another club in Scotland? We have first ministers getting involved for goodness sake

I am not defending any of them just comparing and like everyone I didn’t want him signing for us because of the fall out, he might be innocent but nobody wants to admit this because then they can’t jump on and kick Raith rovers when they are down or get all on their high horse of what they will or won’t do or what people should do and think

And what point aren't you getting? Some things in life are a no go. I would like to think that most of the world has its problems but we look after our own in this country. Without getting too patriotic, it's probably something to do with storyline from a famous Mel Gibson film. Stop making excuses to defend the guy, what about the poor girl? It was a little more than taking advantage also, they planned and lied to others to put her in that vulnerable position and has since shown zero remorse. Our First Minister also agrees with every single stance taken on the situation. Feel sad for all the good people involved with the club. 

[milhouse]

38 minutes ago, GoldenNuggets_YeeHaa said:

I would never ever be at SP if I were a decent supporter. The most worrying thing for me is the lack of understanding and/or sympathy from some of the Raith fans. Why why why on earth are people comparing it to assault and drugs etc?! Because people choose to deal drugs and people fight for a million reasons but nobody chooses to be raped! I usually take atleast 1 child to games whether it be my son or nephew but I couldn't possibly if It were me. Majority of fans are obviously good people but seriously how many turned up last night? How many came on here slating everything about the club but still turned up? It's not even a case of football rivalry anymore, I just want to know I am around decent enough people when going to the football on a Saturday. Not just Raith but some fans have absolutely rattled my brain in terms of acceptance of this is our society. Some IP addresses need passed onto the police and the person under observation until death. Horrible situation and my heart goes out to all decent football fans whenever you are. We need to keep our woman and children safe. 

Oh come on now. Surely this is getting a bit hyperbolic. Is this where we have reached? Everyone who remains a Raith Rovers supporter is now evil? Police "observation until death"?

[Scottydog]

Speaks volumes that there was no pre-match interview (DH resigning from Raith Tv might be one of the main reasons), usually in the past those wee managers chat slots has been used to trumpet new signings. Then more pointedly there was absolutely no mention made of the new signing in the post match interview, the whole interview passed off without even a word about him, it was almost as if we hadn't signed anyone at all....oh if only that were true.

Maybe those wearing the clown shoes down at SP are beginning to get some idea on the magnitude of just how seriously they have fucked things up.

[Derry Alli]

6 hours ago, RexTheCommander said:

Total agree, could put it better myself.  Also at the to support my team.

It's a crying shame that "your team" and ergo - your club - are rape apologists. You supporting them at this point in time is a very, very bad look. 

[Salvo Montalbano]

6 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Are people really so fucking dense as to wonder why this is bigger news now than when he signed for Clyde? Possibly but pretty sure it's whataboutery. If folk have genuinely not connected the dots...

Clyde are fucking Clyde. Before signing Goodwillie they had people convicted of sexual offences on their books already. So it the seal had been broken. They were also at the bottom end of the 3rd division at the time. It's naw surprising that teams down at the arse end of the SPFL get less coverage than teams going for promotion to the top flight. It's not like (some) Clyde fans weren't against it at the time either or opposition fans didn't (and still do) hound them for it. Just on a smaller scale as they are a smaller club and playing against smaller clubs.

And Clyde never had a world famous novelist (or an ex PM) discussing it publicly to their twitter followers. Val McDermid has a massive global reach so her opinion on the matter will have a greater reach than Stevie the taxi driver from Rutherglen.

But even taking away the obvious reasons beyond the size of clubs, position in the league and scope of their famous supporters times have changed. The #MeToo movement really took off around the same time Goodwillie was standing in civic trial. That had massive changes to society and how we view sexual assault. Lots of people at that time would have dismissed this as people being a daft wee laddie or assuming the girl was making it up. For the majority those sort of outdated opinions and assumptions are no longer the case.

And if that's the macro reason for more outcry compared to five year ago if we zoom in this is also the week a world famous player at one of the world's biggest clubs has been lifted: putting scrutiny on players behaviour again.

It's not some weird anti-Raith conspiracy. It's not hypocritical. It's times and circumstances have changed.

Was going to post something broadly similar. 

• Coverage of Clyde and League 2 vs Coverage of Raith and the Championship.

• The sense that he had "kept his head down" and was playing part time, meaning his victim didn't see or hear his name being mentioned all the time

• Rise of Social Media as a tool for getting news stories out to a wide range of people quickly.

• On top of that for mere mortals, celebrity users have a massive impact on things now and Raith have 2 very well known fans, one who is a feminist and very vocal on Social Media with a large following and who is very friendly with some very, very popular people (thinking the likes of Richard Osman here) and the other who is a former Prime Minister and UN Special Envoy for Global Education. Dougie Donnelly it ain't.

• Talking of Education, thankfully people in general are more educated these days around the issue of consent and women being in control of their own bodies. This wasn't a case of 2 folk down the disco who had a few too many, had a quick fumble in an alley and now there is buyers regret - this was a calculated and heinous crime committed with forethought as shown by the lie about taking her to hospital and the state she was in being attested to by people who saw her before getting in the car. Sadly it appears that rape culture/lad culture/empowerment of women is still something we need to work on but there has been progress there. (And for the avoidance of doubt, this isn't about being "woke" or Liberal or virtue signaling or anything like that and I'm quite proud if being those first two anyway)

• Literally the month before he signed, Val McDermid said that if Raith signed Goodwillie then she would be done with the club. A celebrity fan, a sponsor, someone who had put money into the club and helped raise their profile had said - if he comes, I go. Yet they still went ahead with it.

• The signing was announced on the very same day that millions of people round the world were reading about Mason Greenwood and his possibly raping and battering his girlfriend. Now maybe if Goodwillie had signed before that came out, Rovers might have got away with it (you'd hope not, but it's a possibility) but as soon as this story broke it reminded Scottish football fans about the Goodwillie situation - check out the Premier League thread to see how many "Will he now sign for Clyde" jokes there were, proof again that people treat Clyde as a pariah of a club if it were needed.

But aye "I dinnae unnerstaun why it's a big story a a sudden like"

[basher brash]

3 hours ago, GoldenNuggets_YeeHaa said:

I would never ever be at SP if I were a decent supporter. The most worrying thing for me is the lack of understanding and/or sympathy from some of the Raith fans. Why why why on earth are people comparing it to assault and drugs etc?! Because people choose to deal drugs and people fight for a million reasons but nobody chooses to be raped! I usually take atleast 1 child to games whether it be my son or nephew but I couldn't possibly if It were me. Majority of fans are obviously good people but seriously how many turned up last night? How many came on here slating everything about the club but still turned up? It's not even a case of football rivalry anymore, I just want to know I am around decent enough people when going to the football on a Saturday. Not just Raith but some fans have absolutely rattled my brain in terms of acceptance of this is our society. Some IP addresses need passed onto the police and the person under observation until death. Horrible situation and my heart goes out to all decent football fans whenever you are. We need to keep our woman and children safe. 

So if I went last night I wouldn’t be a decent supporter , I actually didn’t to be fair I just couldn’t but I will be back boycotts etc will kill the Rovers for what?  a vile beast like Goodwillie . Still sick to my stomach regarding this and my clubs attitude to women , rape etc  just bewildering and so dis connected from reality at the moment

[milhouse]

Just now, milhouse said:

I'm sorry but reasons why the event was of less significance in 2017 do not include: Clyde playing in the 3rd Division, the idea that people thought rape was less bad before Metoo, the fact that a crime writer and TV quiz presenter are now upset about it.

 

[John MacLean]

5 hours ago, D'Jaffo said:

Dunno about boycotting but I’d urge opposition fans to consider whether they want to give their money to the club.

I'd urge visiting club’s directors not to accept Boardroom hospitality at Starks Park. They are there as representatives of their club and by accepting hospitality they would be providing tacit approval of Raith's actions. 

[John MacLean]

4 hours ago, zicoromaines said:

he might be innocent 

I can help you out here. He isn't. 

[John MacLean]

Re the lack if reaction when he signed for Clyde, well maybe there should have been. 

Maybe there is a bigger outcry now is actually a positive sign. A sign that, perhaps, things have progressed just a small degree when it comes to violence, and sexual, violence against women. 

Maybe there is a greater realisation that rape isn't just dragging someone into the bushes. Maybe there is a greater understanding of what constitutes consent. 

There is much still to be done and the law in Scotland is still failing rape victims hence the need for recourse to the civil court. An extremely brave thing to do with no legal aid available and the sacrifice of anonymity. 

The need for corroboration in Scottish law makes it notoriously difficult to prosecute rape cases and make convictions. That it took a civil court for some kind of justice in this case doesn't deligitimise that judgement. 

[Salvo Montalbano]

36 minutes ago, milhouse said:

 

Come on then let's hear the "real" reason. Unless it involves the words "woke" or "virtue whistling" in which case we can all assume you're just clueless.

[Stellaboz]

It's lies to say there was no outcry when he signed for Clyde. There clearly was anc you only have to go back and find it for yourself. Any thick c**t who says there wasn't is only trying to justify signing a rapist. Badly.

When Craig Thomson signed for (I think) Edinburgh City there was outcry. So don't be trying to rewrite history.

Rovers are clearly a bigger deal than Clyde or Edinburgh so rightly its getting more publicity, especially now with the media being more widespread than even 5 years ago.

[Nutz_the_Squirrel]

5 hours ago, zicoromaines said:

 

Goodwillie wasn’t convicted, he was found to probably be guilty of taking advantage of a drunk girl who likely didn’t give proper consent 

Rape. It’s called rape.

The entirety of your post genuinely saddens me as it reflects how much work is required to address a culture in this part of the world that does not yet fully comprehend the trauma of sexual assault, abuse and rape. Read the transcript. 

[Terry_Tibbs]

7 hours ago, Alan H said:

Sorry I haven't got 12000 posts of utter pish behind me to establish myself as a righteous and upstanding member of the pie and bovril community. I was actually saying the same thing as most people here in original post but seems to have got lost in translation due to what seems like primary 7 comprehension skills.

You've only been here 5 minutes and you've found him out.

 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

5 minutes ago, Terry_Tibbs said:

You've only been here 5 minutes and you've found him out.

 

Rent free. 

Superb 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

5 hours ago, zicoromaines said:

Goodwillie wasn’t convicted, he was found to probably be guilty of taking advantage of a drunk girl who likely didn’t give proper consent he has always claimed his innocence, he has kept his head down for a decade since

Yeah so that's rape, you daft c**t. 

[Squalor Vic]

6 hours ago, zicoromaines said:

Lucky Ronaldo paid off that American chick as well or one of thee best footballer of all time would be a rapist too and have to be cancelled everywhere! lol

You're for the watching I think 

[Dons_1988]

I get that this is an emotive subject, and fair play to those following their convictions and boycotting. 

But I can’t get onboard with hounding raith fans or calling them rape apologists for simply attending the game last night (not referring to the fishing trip posts from some on here). Folk have lots of reasons, many personal, for going to the football and they don’t deserve abuse for watching their team last night. 

Target the anger where it deserves to go. 

[DA-go Par Adonis]

1 hour ago, basher brash said:

So if I went last night I wouldn’t be a decent supporter , I actually didn’t to be fair I just couldn’t but I will be back boycotts etc will kill the Rovers for what?  a vile beast like Goodwillie . Still sick to my stomach regarding this and my clubs attitude to women , rape etc  just bewildering and so dis connected from reality at the moment

The point of the boycott is to hurt the club - in the short term, so that things change. 

Over the medium to long-term it will be of benefit. 

If 60% of your normal attendance continues to go, this situation drags on for longer and the reputation of your club gets more and more tarnished.