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2 hours ago, CALDERON said:

Also Bill Clark being interviewed at half time on BBC during the Dundee playoff game, stating the clubs "ambition" for the upcoming season.

Even the club themselves mentioned that they were "preparing for a tilt at the SPFL Chqmpionship Title next season" on a website article.

Of course, these things only come out when season tickets are on sale I guess.

Aye, telling us we want to yo-yo between the Championship and the Seaside League forever, may be more truthful but it’s probably not going to inspire anyone.

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44 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

I don't get this assumption that a player returning on loan for a period will not be trying a leg. He has a new club to impress who will be monitoring him closely and should be flying after securing what it presumably a significant wage rise. Lyndon Dykes was excellent for us in his additional 5 months on loan here after signing for Livingston.

It’s not so much that he won’t be trying a leg. I just suspect he’ll have his mind on the future. I’m prepared to eat humble pie if that’s not the case.

I’m a bit disappointed as I thought we could build a team around him. He’s only young and he was on a long term contract, so I expected we may not lose him for a couple of years yet. C’est la vie. I’m also not sure what the point of youth development is if we flog them before they’ve even hit 20.

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40 minutes ago, SanStarko said:

Yeah, I'm not overly worried about how Tait will play for us.  If it had been a pre-contract scenario then that's a different matter.  With that you could understand a player not going into 50-50s or giving their all as they know a injury means the deal can be called off.

But his deal is all done, so if anything there's an incentive there for him to be a standout with us till Jan to give him a chance at getting a chance in their first team after Jan.

Exactly. He has a 4 year deal in the bag. If anything he's less likely to pull out of any '50/50' challenges with that sort of security behind him. 

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I’d be more inclined now to get Aarnott as much game time as possible as he looks to be a real talent as well, for only 17 he looks composed on the ball and confident.  Could be just as good a prospect as Tait by time he’s 19/20.

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5 minutes ago, Rover1990 said:

I’d be more inclined now to get Aarnott as much game time as possible as he looks to be a real talent as well, for only 17 he looks composed on the ball and confident.  Could be just as good a prospect as Tait by time he’s 19/20.

Yeah tomorrow seems like a good chance to give him a run out. 

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10 minutes ago, Rover1990 said:

I’d be more inclined now to get Aarnott as much game time as possible as he looks to be a real talent as well, for only 17 he looks composed on the ball and confident.  Could be just as good a prospect as Tait by time he’s 19/20.

Aye, and if he's any good we'd be selling him at 19 anyway so times a'wasting...

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There's the St Johnstone chairman releasing a statement that goes into detail around the timeline and the reasons behind selling Ali McCann. I'm sure some of their supporters still won't be happy about it, but that's the level of dialogue and transparency we need here. 

The Rovers board/owner/CEO/manager [delete as appropriate to find the right combination] obviously felt that this deal for Dylan Tait was the right one. From the outside, with the limited information we have, it doesn't look like it. So explain why. Give us the justification. 

Without that, it looks like the club are embarrassed by the decision, which makes absolutely no sense because they could've just not done the deal. All this speculation exists because there's nothing else. The videos with John McGlynn and Karen Macartney are excellent communication, but even a written statement would do. Just fill the void. 

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41 minutes ago, Raith Against The Machine said:

There's the St Johnstone chairman releasing a statement that goes into detail around the timeline and the reasons behind selling Ali McCann. I'm sure some of their supporters still won't be happy about it, but that's the level of dialogue and transparency we need here. 

The Rovers board/owner/CEO/manager [delete as appropriate to find the right combination] obviously felt that this deal for Dylan Tait was the right one. From the outside, with the limited information we have, it doesn't look like it. So explain why. Give us the justification. 

Without that, it looks like the club are embarrassed by the decision, which makes absolutely no sense because they could've just not done the deal. All this speculation exists because there's nothing else. The videos with John McGlynn and Karen Macartney are excellent communication, but even a written statement would do. Just fill the void. 

Just came on to post exactly this. The St Johnstone statement is completely transparent and their support can then decide to accept the reasoning or not. In the absence of any meaningful communication at Raith it’s no great surprise that people are filling the void with speculation and defaulting based on recent experience to the conclusion that we’ve been done over yet again.

Two of the recently published values were ‘Honesty’ and ‘Respect’ yet it seems beyond the club to treat the support who fund them with a bit of respect with a little transparency over this deal and the reasons it went through.

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4 minutes ago, roverthemoon said:

 

Two of the recently published values were ‘Honesty’ and ‘Respect’ yet it seems beyond the club to treat the support who fund them with a bit of respect with a little transparency over this deal and the reasons it went through.

Another was Ambition, seems a bit off the mark when you sell the best young talent for a bag of silver buttons to the 1st suitor to come knocking 

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Putting the value (for us) in the Tait transfer aside:  if Hibs are lending him back to us it's because they know he is still developing.  What they want in January is the player they expect him to be in January.  If he didn't show the same hunger until then, he will fall short when he gets there.  He knows this, the clubs and their managers know this.  Not concerned about that side of it.  

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2 hours ago, Raith Against The Machine said:

There's the St Johnstone chairman releasing a statement that goes into detail around the timeline and the reasons behind selling Ali McCann. I'm sure some of their supporters still won't be happy about it, but that's the level of dialogue and transparency we need here. 

The Rovers board/owner/CEO/manager [delete as appropriate to find the right combination] obviously felt that this deal for Dylan Tait was the right one. From the outside, with the limited information we have, it doesn't look like it. So explain why. Give us the justification. 

Without that, it looks like the club are embarrassed by the decision, which makes absolutely no sense because they could've just not done the deal. All this speculation exists because there's nothing else. The videos with John McGlynn and Karen Macartney are excellent communication, but even a written statement would do. Just fill the void. 

Absolutely agree with you about this statement- would love it for us to be so transparent.

 

However, if our board released that exact statement they would get absolute pelters from a lot of folk on here.  It contains the phrase "couldn't stand in his way" twice.

I don't think our board can win now- say nothing and they get slaughtered for not keeping us informed, put out a statement like the St Johnstone one and they'd get slaughtered too.

 

What the St Johnstone statement does do well is make you take a step back and remember these players are human beings, not just assets of the football club.

It's a mans career we're talking about- a human being who wants to earn as much money as he can in what is a short career.

There are lots of other factors around the player too- does he want to move to a particular area etc etc.

 

We tend to look at it in black and white from the perspective of only what's best for the football club.

But this isn't football manager, this is real life and it's not as simple as doing what the football club wants and nothing else.

 

 

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2 hours ago, renton said:

Aye, and if he's any good we'd be selling him at 19 anyway so times a'wasting...

Why wait until 19! If he’s any good we’ll flog him after half a season.

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The board have been slaughtered in the past for the use of ‘can’t stand in his way’, and rightly so, but nonetheless it is to a large degree true. We can’t indefinitely stop players moving on after success here. The Rovers will always lose their best players but I haven’t seen anybody complaining about that so it’s a bit of a moot point.

Even Celtic are now a selling club. It’s the way of the world. They held onto Edouard for a year longer than the player would’ve liked because they hadn’t had an offer they were willing to accept. Rangers have turned down plenty for Morelos. The Rovers - it appears - took the very first offer that came along, for what is reported to be what most people seem to agree is under market value. I’ve used ‘appears’ and ‘reported’ there deliberately, because we don’t know it was the first offer and we don’t know it was £100k. Because nobody has told us otherwise, so we need to go with speculation.

Of course Dylan Tait would want to move to Hibs. He’ll double or treble his salary and play for a much bigger club. I don’t think anyone has suggested holding him here against his will until the end of his contract. And I’m sure he’d have been disappointed if we turned down the bid and the move hadn’t happened. But unless his contract says so, we’re under no obligation to accept any old offer that comes in if he fancies it.

Really this is a long-winded way of saying ‘sorry Dylan but the offer didn’t match our valuation’ is a perfectly valid line to take. ‘Not standing in his way’ does not automatically mean taking the very first offer that comes along, regardless of whether you’re happy with it.

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3 minutes ago, Paco said:

The board have been slaughtered in the past for the use of ‘can’t stand in his way’, and rightly so, but nonetheless it is to a large degree true. We can’t indefinitely stop players moving on after success here. The Rovers will always lose their best players but I haven’t seen anybody complaining about that so it’s a bit of a moot point.

Even Celtic are now a selling club. It’s the way of the world. They held onto Edouard for a year longer than the player would’ve liked because they hadn’t had an offer they were willing to accept. Rangers have turned down plenty for Morelos. The Rovers - it appears - took the very first offer that came along, for what is reported to be what most people seem to agree is under market value. I’ve used ‘appears’ and ‘reported’ there deliberately, because we don’t know it was the first offer and we don’t know it was £100k. Because nobody has told us otherwise, so we need to go with speculation.

Of course Dylan Tait would want to move to Hibs. He’ll double or treble his salary and play for a much bigger club. I don’t think anyone has suggested holding him here against his will until the end of his contract. And I’m sure he’d have been disappointed if we turned down the bid and the move hadn’t happened. But unless his contract says so, we’re under no obligation to accept any old offer that comes in if he fancies it.

Really this is a long-winded way of saying ‘sorry Dylan but the offer didn’t match our valuation’ is a perfectly valid line to take. ‘Not standing in his way’ does not automatically mean taking the very first offer that comes along, regardless of whether you’re happy with it.

Spot on, I'd also add I hope DT gets a good reception at Starks from the punters, wish him every success in the future playing for us, Hibs, Real Madrid and Scotland😃

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I’d love to know how people can believe this was the first or only offer. With the scouts the last couple of years, I find it unlikely that Hibs was the first and only offer. It’s as frustrating as the speculation on the amount paid, we simply have no basis for accepting the first report of £100k, but people take it as gospel.

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