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49 minutes ago, kev23 said:

I appreciate you like Watson as a player, and in his brief time in the team he was fine, but please stop kidding yourself on that he's a wingback who likes to bomb up and down all game.

Not kidding myself, much prefer Miller...but when we want crosses from our backs and Miller isn’t available, Watson at RB beats McKay out of position at RB.

Regardless, the team that ended the last game should pretty much start this one.

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18 hours ago, da_no_1 said:

OK I'll bite. So what do you think we as Dunfermline fans should have done when the financial results were announced every year? Protested outside the ground? Boycotted games? I see a lot of you guys worried that Raith are losing a fortune in League 1 & the year-on-year losses are being covered by John SIm/BOD members/soft loans. On a smaller scale granted, but in principle what's the difference? You're spending more than you take in & surely you have been for the last 3 years. The question is how long can it go on for and by your logic how long do YOU let it go on for! Fact is, we had a BOD who spent way, way more than they ever had a chance to bring in. Compared now to15 years ago (when the real damage was done at EEP), fans had little or no say in the running of clubs to an extent that would allow the ordinary punter to be made fully aware of how their club was being run. By the time we got wind of what was really going on, it was 5 years too late. Almost everyone who was involved then has been chased out of the club & football in general (bar Jim Leishman who as far as I know is pretty much just a hospitality host) 

We did go into administration. We did shaft a lot of creditors. It was embarrassing & was a horrible, horrible time to be a Dunfermline fan and the last few years haven't been much better. I wouldn't wish that on any clubs' fans. That worry of not knowing whether your club will survive or not is still really fresh in my mind & it annoys me that you think we're lording it up cash rich a league above you, when the truth is most of us are fully aware that the Lifeline & volunteers are still crucial to the ongoing survival of DAFC

 

 

 

 

I'm not really meaning the relative glory years of cup finals etc tbh. Even when Dunfermline spent their subsequent years in the old First Division, any suggestions things werent quite kosher with regards to finance fell on deaf ears. It certainly wasn't the fans fault by any matter of means, but it was clear to most people not affiliated with DAFC that things weren't sustainable. 

Doubt any Rovers fan is unaware of our financial predicament but not much we can really do. Those running the club are more transparent than the old regime, and haven't showed any reason why they can't be trusted. Until someone comes in with a big 6 figure cheque there's not much can be done. We need more income, easiest way to do that is by winning promotion and the fans have contributed significant amounts out of their own pocket towards that aim already. 

 

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1 hour ago, CALDERON said:

I'm not really meaning the relative glory years of cup finals etc tbh. Even when Dunfermline spent their subsequent years in the old First Division, any suggestions things werent quite kosher with regards to finance fell on deaf ears. It certainly wasn't the fans fault by any matter of means, but it was clear to most people not affiliated with DAFC that things weren't sustainable. 

Doubt any Rovers fan is unaware of our financial predicament but not much we can really do. Those running the club are more transparent than the old regime, and haven't showed any reason why they can't be trusted. Until someone comes in with a big 6 figure cheque there's not much can be done. We need more income, easiest way to do that is by winning promotion and the fans have contributed significant amounts out of their own pocket towards that aim already. 

 

We'd all heard the stories. That's not up for debate. My point is what did you expect us to do, bearing in mind it's 7 years since we went into administration but like I pointed out most of the damage was done between 2000 & 2009 when fans had little or no say in the running of football clubs.

You admit you need more income relying on a generous owner & fan donations, which reading between the lines means you're losing money. So, on a smaller scale, what's the difference between where you are & where we were?

You & other Rovers fans act like you would do & say differently, like footballing pillars of society, when in reality you'd lap up the relative success we had hoping those in charge knew what they were doing.

You're lying if you say otherwise.

 

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30 minutes ago, da_no_1 said:

We'd all heard the stories. That's not up for debate. My point is what did you expect us to do, bearing in mind it's 7 years since we went into administration but like I pointed out most of the damage was done between 2000 & 2009 when fans had little or no say in the running of football clubs.

You admit you need more income relying on a generous owner & fan donations, which reading between the lines means you're losing money. So, on a smaller scale, what's the difference between where you are & where we were?

You & other Rovers fans act like you would do & say differently, like footballing pillars of society, when in reality you'd lap up the relative success we had hoping those in charge knew what they were doing.

You're lying if you say otherwise.

 

Think its more a frustration from Rovers fans that we did the "honest" thing and are trying to clear our debt. When we were in a real bad way maybe if we had taken administration then we would be in a better state than we are now, but we'll never know that. At the end of the day i don't think clubs deliberately set out to get enter administration but as i say i think its frustration, maybe even jealousy, that clubs who did take administration option are now in 1/2 leagues above us. No point dwelling on it though as its happened and nothing can be changed about the history just got to hope for promotion and back to the proper derbies again with decent crowds to help both clubs financially. 

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Watson at RB beats McKay out of position at RB.

No he doesn't.
Watson will struggle to get another minute on the park this season should Miller and McKay stay fit.

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1 hour ago, da_no_1 said:

We'd all heard the stories. That's not up for debate. My point is what did you expect us to do, bearing in mind it's 7 years since we went into administration but like I pointed out most of the damage was done between 2000 & 2009 when fans had little or no say in the running of football clubs.

You admit you need more income relying on a generous owner & fan donations, which reading between the lines means you're losing money. So, on a smaller scale, what's the difference between where you are & where we were?

You & other Rovers fans act like you would do & say differently, like footballing pillars of society, when in reality you'd lap up the relative success we had hoping those in charge knew what they were doing.

You're lying if you say otherwise.

 

Not really saying that at all. There may not be a big difference between our situation and yours, but Rovers fans aren't burying head in the sand about it.  We are all aware of the gravity of the situation. 

I don't expect or didn't expect the fans to sort it out, that wasn't my point. 

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Hi pals! Finally decided to stop being a lurker and actually register for this!

Like the sensible pricing structure for the cup final, the smart choice of location and pricing should hopefully make it a decent turn out!

 

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10 hours ago, TxRover said:

Not kidding myself, much prefer Miller...but when we want crosses from our backs and Miller isn’t available, Watson at RB beats McKay out of position at RB.

 

4 hours ago, Raithie said:

So why isn’t he getting a game?

 

Read my answer again, and don’t take it out or context. It is apparent that the gaffer prioritized the extra defender deep with Goodwillie facing us.

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26 minutes ago, CALDERON said:

Not really saying that at all. There may not be a big difference between our situation and yours, but Rovers fans aren't burying head in the sand about it.  We are all aware of the gravity of the situation. 

I don't expect or didn't expect the fans to sort it out, that wasn't my point. 

I'm struggling to work out your point. You have to admit that football has changed & fans are far more aware of how clubs are run now than they were back then, so it's not really that much o f a statement to say you're not "burying your head in the sand"

I read this forum. The majority of Rovers fans still demand success and are quite willing to stand by letting John Sim & the more affluent supporters pay for it short term.

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8 minutes ago, TxRover said:

 

Read my answer again, and don’t take it out or context. It is apparent that the gaffer prioritized the extra defender deep with Goodwillie facing us.

It's clear that McGlynn feels he has two players who can play right back consistently. Watson is a gap filler and not someone currently in contention for tactical rotation into the first team. 

If McGlynn wants more attacking play down the right, and doesn't want to play Mikey Miller (who isn't a hit the byline type of guy anyway) then he'll adjust his midfield and wide forward capabilities first, long before the thought of Jamie Watson enters his head.

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Hi pals! Finally decided to stop being a lurker and actually register for this!
Like the sensible pricing structure for the cup final, the smart choice of location and pricing should hopefully make it a decent turn out!
 

Welcome! Don’t talk to Frank Connor.

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3 hours ago, rrfc83 said:

At the end of the day i don't think clubs deliberately set out to get enter administration . 

Maybe so but if clubs are not paying HMRC and other major creditors whilst spending money on other things/or not cutting their cloth accordingly  they,ll be aware what direction they,re heading in

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16 minutes ago, Rovers_Lad said:

Maybe so but if clubs are not paying HMRC and other major creditors whilst spending money on other things/or not cutting their cloth accordingly  they,ll be aware what direction they,re heading in

Not the fans fault though is it? And like every club its the fans that are left to pick up the pieces. Is it right that clubs have done this? No,  however as i said its not going to change what has happened in the past.

You could go as far as blaming the banks during the 90/00s as they were quite happy to throw money at clubs.  You could also say why does the HMRC wait until its nearly the final nail in the coffin before chasing the money? I think the majority of clubs within Scotland have learnt their lesson (some the hard way) from the era where there was a lot of money within the game to where we stand now.

Rovers are trying to clear debt, does it help we have someone who has money to bridge the gap just now, yes of course it does, but doesn't make us perfect or any better than other clubs who have suffered.  In an ideal world all clubs would be run perfectly and all post profits, however what would we then moan about on here....

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4 minutes ago, rrfc83 said:

You could go as far as blaming the banks during the 90/00s as they were quite happy to throw money at clubs.  

Masterton, Give me £10M good friend.

BoS, No problem, we'll just set up a repayment plan.

Masterton, You see, we're a football club, having a plan isn't our normal MO.

BoS, OK then pay us when you can.

Masterton, (mutters under breath) that'll be fucking shining bright.

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8 hours ago, Raithie said:

 


So why isn’t he getting a game?

 

Because McGlynn likes big lumps out of position?

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