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2 minutes ago, grumswall said:
11 minutes ago, roverthemoon said:
Just watching Scotland’s Game on the BBC Scotland channel. It’s at the clubs going into administration phase of Scottish football after the Setanta collapse. It’s still a rich irony that many of the clubs who took the administration route and shafted creditors in that period now sit well above us in the league structure. Brings home that the penalties for financial misconduct in Scottish football really have been inadequate
Edited to add that it’s now on the Gretna ‘fairytale’. Jesus, it gets worse  

I take a bit of pride that our club hasn't ever shafted creditors in that manner and that we are trying to get a club that is self sustainable while paying our debts.

Absolutely. it’s a struggle, but one we are dealing with in the right way.

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Just watching Scotland’s Game on the BBC Scotland channel. It’s at the clubs going into administration phase of Scottish football after the Setanta collapse. It’s still a rich irony that many of the clubs who took the administration route and shafted creditors in that period now sit well above us in the league structure. Brings home that the penalties for financial misconduct in Scottish football really have been inadequate
Edited to add that it’s now on the Gretna ‘fairytale’. Jesus, it gets worse  
This. Its disgusting but there's been no reward for clubs who grafted themselves out of the results of being unfortunate enough to succeed when stupid rules like 10k all seater stadiums were a requirement for the top flight.

There's loads of clubs who loaded up the debt to shaft creditors with tear filled fans say they didn't know. It's all bullshit of course, but I'm confident we're going in the right direction.

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8 hours ago, grumswall said:
9 hours ago, roverthemoon said:
Just watching Scotland’s Game on the BBC Scotland channel. It’s at the clubs going into administration phase of Scottish football after the Setanta collapse. It’s still a rich irony that many of the clubs who took the administration route and shafted creditors in that period now sit well above us in the league structure. Brings home that the penalties for financial misconduct in Scottish football really have been inadequate
Edited to add that it’s now on the Gretna ‘fairytale’. Jesus, it gets worse  

It's why we've struggled for so long imo. The burden of having historical debt has lead to us having more as the years have went on and we're stuck in a vicious cycle. Beyond one of us striking lucky in business or winning alot, that's the way we are for the foreseeable. I take a bit of pride that our club hasn't ever shafted creditors in that manner and that we are trying to get a club that is self sustainable while paying our debts.

What creditors do we have to shaft? Who do we owe the debts too?

The last few seasons financial results don’t look like they are sustainable, but then again I’m not an accountant and I don’t know enough about it. However, I can see the condition of the 25 year old North and South Stands and the Railway Stand and evening the Main Stand. Those will be a drain on resources. Then there’s the cost of running a 24/25 man squad and all the back room and supporting staff.

If we can break even we’re doing well given our crowds and the league we’re playing in. 

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40 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

What creditors do we have to shaft? Who do we owe the debts too?

The last few seasons financial results don’t look like they are sustainable, but then again I’m not an accountant and I don’t know enough about it. However, I can see the condition of the 25 year old North and South Stands and the Railway Stand and evening the Main Stand. Those will be a drain on resources. Then there’s the cost of running a 24/25 man squad and all the back room and supporting staff.

If we can break even we’re doing well given our crowds and the league we’re playing in. 

They're sustainable as long as someone is willing to keep putting their hand in their pocket to make up the shortfall. If that stops we are goosed.

 

Regarding loan signings, if we aren't going to use the 4 slots then if there was any prospect at all that Steven Anderson could be fit for the run in I'd be tempted to try and get him back.

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What’s wrong with me saying I would quite like to see a right back signing? I know we have 3 right backs, but we have a solid left back so I would like to see a solid and consistent right back signing.

There’s nothing wrong with it, but when we have three right backs in the squad and only one left back, I wouldn’t say it’s a priority.

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There’s nothing wrong with it, but when we have three right backs in the squad and only one left back, I wouldn’t say it’s a priority.

Yeah I would also be happy with the signing of a left back. If my memory serves me correctly, a few people were complaining at the fact our right backs are very poor a couple weeks ago.

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There’s nothing wrong with it, but when we have three right backs in the squad and only one left back, I wouldn’t say it’s a priority.

Yeah I would definitely say that left back is a priority, in my original post I’d said a full back but if we were to get cover for Macca that’d be ideal, however, I’m not sure about a heavily inexperienced LB from Celtic coming into a title pushing squad.

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Yeah I would also be happy with the signing of a left back. If my memory serves me correctly, a few people were complaining at the fact our right backs are very poor a couple weeks ago.

Whether our RB’s are poor or not, we have 3 RB’s, it’s not sensible to go and waste money on another RB when there are other areas of the team that we have 0 cover for.

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8 minutes ago, Rovers1992/1993 said:


Whether our RB’s are poor or not, we have 3 RB’s, it’s not sensible to go and waste money on another RB when there are other areas of the team that we have 0 cover for.

Miller and Watson are our RB’s. McKay is a CB, as is Mendy, Davo and Bene. Who’s the third, McKay? By that logic, Bene is our second LB too. Maybe you meant GAndo is a fill-in RB?

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Miller and Watson are our RB’s. McKay is a CB, as is Mendy, Davo and Bene. Who’s the third, McKay? By that logic, Bene is our second LB too. Maybe you meant GAndo is a fill-in RB?

By what Logic? The logic that McGlynn is playing McKay as our RB and leaving Miller and Watson on the bench? McKay is our first choice RB at the minute. McKay has probably started more games for us as a RB than as a CB  

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Bene start a game as our LB yet.

 

Edit to add.. I don’t agree that McKay should be a RB and he’s far better in the middle than out there but that’s not for me to say. The fact that McGlynn is going with him out there shows that he’s our first choice at the minute. And I trust McGlynn with whatever he does.

 

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Miller and Watson are our RB’s. McKay is a CB, as is Mendy, Davo and Bene. Who’s the third, McKay? By that logic, Bene is our second LB too. Maybe you meant GAndo is a fill-in RB?

What makes you say McKay is a centre back ahead of being a right back? Off the top of my head he’s featured more at right back for the first team than he has at centre half.

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This. Its disgusting but there's been no reward for clubs who grafted themselves out of the results of being unfortunate enough to succeed when stupid rules like 10k all seater stadiums were a requirement for the top flight. 

There's loads of clubs who loaded up the debt to shaft creditors with tear filled fans say they didn't know. It's all bullshit of course, but I'm confident we're going in the right direction.

 

OK I'll bite. So what do you think we as Dunfermline fans should have done when the financial results were announced every year? Protested outside the ground? Boycotted games? I see a lot of you guys worried that Raith are losing a fortune in League 1 & the year-on-year losses are being covered by John SIm/BOD members/soft loans. On a smaller scale granted, but in principle what's the difference? You're spending more than you take in & surely you have been for the last 3 years. The question is how long can it go on for and by your logic how long do YOU let it go on for! Fact is, we had a BOD who spent way, way more than they ever had a chance to bring in. Compared now to15 years ago (when the real damage was done at EEP), fans had little or no say in the running of clubs to an extent that would allow the ordinary punter to be made fully aware of how their club was being run. By the time we got wind of what was really going on, it was 5 years too late. Almost everyone who was involved then has been chased out of the club & football in general (bar Jim Leishman who as far as I know is pretty much just a hospitality host) 

We did go into administration. We did shaft a lot of creditors. It was embarrassing & was a horrible, horrible time to be a Dunfermline fan and the last few years haven't been much better. I wouldn't wish that on any clubs' fans. That worry of not knowing whether your club will survive or not is still really fresh in my mind & it annoys me that you think we're lording it up cash rich a league above you, when the truth is most of us are fully aware that the Lifeline & volunteers are still crucial to the ongoing survival of DAFC

 

 

 

 

Edited by da_no_1

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OK I'll bite. So what do you think we as Dunfermline fans should have done when the financial results were announced every year? Protested outside the ground? Boycotted games? I see a lot of you guys worried that Raith are losing a fortune in League 1 & the year-on-year losses are being covered by John SIm/BOD members/soft loans. On a smaller scale granted, but in principle what's the difference? You're spending more than you take in & surely you have been for the last 3 years. The question is how long can it go on for and by your logic how long do YOU let it go on for! Fact is, we had a BOD who spent way, way more than they ever had a chance to bring in. Compared now to15 years ago (when the real damage was done at EEP), fans had little or no say in the running of clubs to an extent that would allow the ordinary punter to be made fully aware of how their club was being run. By the time we got wind of what was really going on, it was 5 years too late. Almost everyone who was involved then has been chased out of the club & football in general (bar Jim Leishman who as far as I know is pretty much just a hospitality host)  We did go into administration. We did shaft a lot of creditors. It was embarrassing & was a horrible, horrible time to be a Dunfermline fan and the last few years haven't been much better. I wouldn't wish that on any clubs' fans. That worry of not knowing whether your club will survive or not is still really fresh in my mind & it annoys me that you think we're lording it up cash rich a league above you, when the truth is most of us are fully aware that the Lifeline & volunteers are still crucial to the ongoing survival of DAFC

 

 

 

 

 

Where did he mention Dunfermline FC in his post?

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