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Was Gillespie ill last night? Or was he doing the rounds trying to exercise his non promotion clause....

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I think what's more important than anything else is having a balanced squad with players in the correct positions, and some kind of squad depth, whether that is full time or otherwise

Like having a right back playing right back, for example. 

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Aye, we started the season without a right-back, and here we are at the end of the season and we still don’t have one. It’s been quite something.

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42 minutes ago, renton said:

So basically, we won't get good full timers because everyone in the championship and Falkirk will snap them up, and we won't get good part timers because of everyone else...

Pretty much....

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46 minutes ago, CALDERON said:

Like having a right back playing right back, for example. 

That's crazy talk. 

I reckon there's an attitude/lack of cajones situation going on and it's up to  McGlynn to get rid of the weak ones in that respect. 

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So basically, we won't get good full timers because everyone in the championship and Falkirk will snap them up, and we won't get good part timers because of everyone else...

Well... That's what happened to you this season, why would it change???

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20 minutes ago, Ebanda's Handyman Services said:

That's crazy talk. 

I reckon there's an attitude/lack of cajones situation going on and it's up to  McGlynn to get rid of the weak ones in that respect. 

I would agree with that. For most of the season we have had a lot of players that turn up when they want to, shown most clearly by our form away from home where we’ve been regularly out worked and out fought. After the last few years a return to the McGlynn teams that fought for everything and gave 100% every week would be a welcome change.

Obviously you don’t want to empty the squad of quality just to fill it with workers, you need the right balance and players that can do both. Nathan Flanagan is almost the epitome of our squad. He clearly has a bit of ability and when he is at his best can be very good but he has a heart the size of a pea. Can’t rely on him consistently throughout a long season.

In saying that, can’t fault the players for effort last night, it was a lack of quality in both boxes which undone us. Absolute scenes if we line up for our first game next season with proper full backs and a competent keeper.

There’s still a game to go so I won’t do a full list just now but I’d genuinely only be disappointed to lose Vaughan and Nisbet from the current squad. There are other players I’d keep but if they left I wouldn’t be too downhearted. 

Edited by R.R.FC

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2 hours ago, McGuigan1978 said:

If I wasn’t crabbit enough, I’ve just listened to that Off The Ball interview with Gary Locke.

F*ck me.

Mid-table and weren’t in any relegation trouble?

Didn’t have long enough to make his own stamp on the club?

His stamp on the club has put us where we are now.

I appreciate his IQ is probably at such a level that he finds off and of confusing, never mind there, their and they’re, but he can’t genuinely believe that?

Glad to be of service :P

The tie from last night obviously isn't over yet, you never know. But too many argue about your team's lack of bottle. It's nothing to do with that, it's a lack of quality. You've a team of part-time players (See Duggan, Buchanan, Flanagan) that Smith decided to make full time, combined with an aging Davidson, a horrible goalkeeping rotation and a relatively poor midfield sans-Vaughan. It's nothing to do with bottle, the balance of the squad is of course horrendous but the players that were signed in the first place aren't good enough anyway.

I think a clear out in the summer could do Raith the world of good. You can't keep holding onto players that have proven they're not good enough on multiple occasions. It's not for me to say but if you punted Buchanan, Duggan, Wedderburn, Gillespie, Flanagan, Davidson plus every single one of your keepers you might be able to assemble a reasonable squad with the freed up wages. By jove, you might even sign a right back!

I won't get into the part-time/full-time/hybrid argument again, that's a debate for your board to have depending on whether you can rescue it on Saturday.  

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17 minutes ago, King Kebab said:


Well... That's what happened to you this season, why would it change???

Well, we weren't in the part time market this year. Fully accept that we got the dross from the full time crowd with one or two exceptions.

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4 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:

Glad to be of service :P

The tie from last night obviously isn't over yet, you never know. But too many argue about your team's lack of bottle. It's nothing to do with that, it's a lack of quality. You've a team of part-time players (See Duggan, Buchanan, Flanagan) that Smith decided to make full time, combined with an aging Davidson, a horrible goalkeeping rotation and a relatively poor midfield sans-Vaughan. It's nothing to do with bottle, the balance of the squad is of course horrendous but the players that were signed in the first place aren't good enough anyway.

I think a clear out in the summer could do Raith the world of good. You can't keep holding onto players that have proven they're not good enough on multiple occasions. It's not for me to say but if you punted Buchanan, Duggan, Wedderburn, Gillespie, Flanagan, Davidson plus every single one of your keepers you might be able to assemble a reasonable squad with the freed up wages. By jove, you might even sign a right back!

I won't get into the part-time/full-time/hybrid argument again, that's a debate for your board to have depending on whether you can rescue it on Saturday.  

Suspect all but Flanagan will be gone in the summer, and only because he's got another year on his contract and won't get a better offer. Buchanan is apparently a high earner as well. 

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Bit presumptuous with a second leg still to play, and enough european exploits to show a first leg lead means nothing, but..... if Raith don't go up does the board keep McGlynn?

They stood by Smith when he didn't get up, but the pressure on a flying start then ramps up on McGlynn for next season, in what will be arguably a much tougher league.   

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Is Gregory Tade still a free agent? I’d happily fill the team with part time jobbers/people from the crowd to watch a front 3 of him, Nisbet and Vaughan. 

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Going off on a complete tangent, but watching on TV I was impressed by the pitch. Makes you wonder why Livi, Killie and Hamilton can't have that standard.

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Suspect all but Flanagan will be gone in the summer, and only because he's got another year on his contract and won't get a better offer. Buchanan is apparently a high earner as well. 
Wouldn't be surprised by the Buchanan bit. He was proven at this level with Livingston not long ago so I can understand he will have been negotiating at the time from somewhat of a position of power, but a striker aging from 24 to 26 is not the same as 31/32 to 34. He's done at this level, both in terms of age/ability and he can probably get a decent wage in the juniors/LL given the cash being chucked about. You can do better.

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Well, we weren't in the part time market this year. Fully accept that we got the dross from the full time crowd with one or two exceptions.

Technically you were, by taking some PT players and making them FT!!!

But a few of you were saying it was shit or bust regarding FT at Starks last season, IF you don't go up will you be able to finance it again for another year, if the answer is yes then all this PT/hybrid talk is moot!!!

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Our FT players under contract are by no means guaranteed to stay here. 

We are told costs are under control following the disaster of 2017/18, but given the scale of loss that year I imagibe we'll still make a significant loss, albeit a more tolerable one. I struggle to see how we can go again with a fully FT set up, particularly given the dross we've lumbered ourselves with as a result. 

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15 minutes ago, King Kebab said:

Technically you were, by taking some PT players and making them FT!!!

But a few of you were saying it was shit or bust regarding FT at Starks last season, IF you don't go up will you be able to finance it again for another year, if the answer is yes then all this PT/hybrid talk is moot!!!

I'm not sure that staying full time is worth it even if we can. I've said it before, but it's not enough to simply be full time, you have to have the budget to be getting good full timers, which is a tougher proposition as your then trying to entice guys who could be playing a league higher for at least the same wages. Depending on the balance of FT/PT I think we probably could entice some decent part timers and even maybe a right back and a midfielder that can run the length of themselves.

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20 minutes ago, Big Fifer said:
25 minutes ago, renton said:
Suspect all but Flanagan will be gone in the summer, and only because he's got another year on his contract and won't get a better offer. Buchanan is apparently a high earner as well. 

Wouldn't be surprised by the Buchanan bit. He was proven at this level with Livingston not long ago so I can understand he will have been negotiating at the time from somewhat of a position of power, but a striker aging from 24 to 26 is not the same as 31/32 to 34. He's done at this level, both in terms of age/ability and he can probably get a decent wage in the juniors/LL given the cash being chucked about. You can do better.

Yeah, suspect he falls into that famous Rovers category of 'one year too late' - you can still sometimes see the player he was, but it's physically beyond him at this level now.

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27 minutes ago, FullTimePint said:

Bit presumptuous with a second leg still to play, and enough european exploits to show a first leg lead means nothing, but..... if Raith don't go up does the board keep McGlynn?

They stood by Smith when he didn't get up, but the pressure on a flying start then ramps up on McGlynn for next season, in what will be arguably a much tougher league.   

McGlynn will stick around. You can point out how he didn't fix the defensive frailties, but he did also work to improve our attacking options and had to cope with replacing injuries as well. I'd be confident that given the summer he'd at least have a plan for what he wanted next year, unlike the previous summer where Smith seemed to have no real focus for his transfers other than who was immediately available and who's phone number he had.

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