The New Raith Rovers Thread

[vikingTON]

3 minutes ago, pub car king said:

Easton, can be the best player in this league 

No, he really can't. 

2 minutes ago, Been going too long said:

 Got to hold our nerve and hope we start putting a run of results together, we deserved a point yesterday but got done by a poor referee buying a dive. 

It quite clearly wasn't a dive and the same poor referee missed a blatant penalty for handball in the first half. The shan sense of injustice fostered by your manager and fanbase is embarrassing. 

[Been going too long]

22 hours ago, CALDERON said:

Have to admit to being a wee bit concerned by the assistant manager situation.  Partly because there seems to be so sign of anyone coming in, and partly because Agnews departure coincided with Goodwillies contract being terminated.

 

Apparently mickey Cameron was at our game v cove and in the office before the game. Not sure if it means anything but Murray worked with him before at airdrie.

[Been going too long]

1 minute ago, virginton said:

No, he really can't. 

It quite clearly wasn't a dive and the same poor referee missed a blatant penalty for handball in the first half. The shan sense of injustice fostered by your manager and fanbase is embarrassing. 

Just not as embarrassing as you or grant gillespies rug

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Actually looking at the strikers:

Dipo Akinyemi - would take him. A total shot in the dark though,
Anyon (sic) Dowds would…walk into our side.

There is a complete dearth of attacking talent across the division. There are very, very few options we could have actually got. 

Narrowed that list to realistically available to us…and Dowds was on a pre contract with Partick in April, so, no go. Dipo was available for a week after Murray signed with Raith…but was playing in the sixth tier in England, so there was no chance IM was anywhere near chasing him then. So,,as you say, we were f**ked from the get go.

1 hour ago, pub car king said:

ORiordan is a real find pity we can't keep him. 

Just thinking out loud, but would Crewe not potentially offer one of their other CB’s on loan, if we wanted to take them? This is a prime you scratched my back situation, and Crewe must be right chuffed with how this is working out so far. This could easily be the start of a useful relationship with a Fourth (potentially Third) tier English team with a pretty large roster and, thus, some players to loan.

[Ro Sham Bo]

1 hour ago, pub car king said:

Some very fickle people on here, last week after we battered Cove everything was coming together and great things would happen. This week we've lost a shit game 1-0 to a last minute Pentyrch and the world is opening up beneath our feet. 

Truth is the team is a patched up work in progress and we are all going to be very frustrated this year. We were told by Airdrie fans it would take time and there are definite signs of improvement. There are also other issues such as the lack of goals, now I don't believe we are particularly worse off than most other teams in this league and we need to be set up better in this respect.

I also think recruitment has been interesting to say the least. 

Ngwenya looks decent now he's getting a run. 

Brown has been pretty solid 

Easton, can be the best player in this league but form is and will be inconsistent. 

Nolan decent enough player and does a job. 

ORiordan is a real find pity we can't keep him. 

Millen works hard but time and again makes hideous decisions especially in the box.

McBride jury is still out but looks to be a squad filler. 

Connell 1 decent performance so far. 

Fredericksen way to early to make any judgement. 

In terms of players that were here last year.

Gullan looks so up for it every week which he didn't look last year. 

Dick is improved no doubt. 

Stanton is a new man he looks like a massive weight has been lifted. 

There's a lot to build on over the season and I'm prepared to give the manager the time. I don't think we will be relegated we might flirt with 8th place but we have enough to stay in this league. 

Next year could be very interesting provided we evolve at the right speed and the squad settles. 

 

The same issues that cost us against Cove in the first game of the season are still holding us back. We still struggle to score and are we're too easily bullied. 

As far as recruitment goes, Murray must have signed about 10 players and not one of them has improved our squad measured against last season's squad. Some are about the same level as what we had, while others are clear downgrades. His big signing was Easton who has been so bad Murray has had no option but to drop him. His only achievement so far is getting more out of Stanton, but then there are other players like Ross and Connolly who have dropped off considerably. Connolly is hamstrung by having the worst right back in the division behind him, and Ross just looks to have downed tools. His next move will probably be to Falkirk to link up with McGlynn again. And then there is Berra, who I still strongly suspect took one look at the way things were headed under Murray and decided that it was time to pack it in. 

When you look at his efforts so far, giving him the January window would be a disaster. 

[ohnononowheredidRossgo]

Lang, Matthews, Vaughan and a fully Spencer and we’ll be more than ok.

Murray hasn’t done great this window but happy with our style of play and the players seem to be grafting for him.

I’d imagine we can judge him next season.

[Hank Scorpio]

 

[Been going too long]

30 minutes ago, TxRover said:

we wanted to take them? This is a prime you scratched my back situation, and Crewe must be right chuffed with how this is working out so far. This could easily be the start of a useful relationship with a Fourth (potentially Third) tier English team with a pretty large roster and, thus, some players to loan.

There is definitely a chance of us building a good relationship with them given how well O’riordan has done, we can only hope 

[Raith_Raver]

2 hours ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

You must certainly wouldn't be of that opinion if you had this moron in charge of Ayr, that's for sure. 

When we lose these next two matches he should be sacked. End of. 

A "clown",  now a moron.

Posts this extreme defy an adequate reply.

[Rovers_Lad]

17 hours ago, philpy said:

The lack of experience in the defending and striking departments is going to haunt us this season. Yeah, there is scope to address that in the January transfer window, but it could be too little too late by then...

Only Inverness have conceded less goals than us,issue is the striking department

[TheScarf]

11 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Actually looking at the strikers for each club in the Championship:

Arbroath: Kareem Isiaka - had him on trial, not good enough. Dale Hilson? No thanks. 
 

Ayr: Dipo Akinyemi - would take him. A total shot in the dark though, and it’s not exactly a name you’d be sitting down and identifying pre-season. (What a truly horrific website btw)

Cove: Megginson - failed here before and it clearly suits him to be based up there.
 

Dundee: Zak Rudden - would take. However, just joined Dundee and likely on a fortune. Not a realistic target. 
 

Morton: Robbie Muirhead - no, absolute huddie. 
 

Hamilton: Literally no one. Children. 
 

Inverness: Shane Sutherland - nearly signed him before he went to Inverness but chose to stay up north. Billy McKay - pretty old. George Oakley - might have been an option? Not sure. 
 

Thistle: They have three actually very good options up front, and are the only club in the division to have so. No surprise they are top and look to be the favourites. Graham, Mullen and Anyon Dowds would all walk into our side. They are all very likely earning much more money with Thistle than they could with us. 
 

Queen’s Park: Simon Murray would be a starter for us, no doubt, but given his reported salary, would not even consider a move to us. 
 

There is a complete dearth of attacking talent across the division. There are very, very few options we could have actually got. 

Raith fans would take Billy McKay in a heartbeat.

[Hank Scorpio]

6 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Raith fans would take Billy McKay in a heartbeat.

Probably. The question posed was whether or not it would be a realistic signing, though. 

[CALDERON]

12 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Actually looking at the strikers for each club in the Championship:

Arbroath: Kareem Isiaka - had him on trial, not good enough. Dale Hilson? No thanks. 
 

Ayr: Dipo Akinyemi - would take him. A total shot in the dark though, and it’s not exactly a name you’d be sitting down and identifying pre-season. (What a truly horrific website btw)

Cove: Megginson - failed here before and it clearly suits him to be based up there.
 

Dundee: Zak Rudden - would take. However, just joined Dundee and likely on a fortune. Not a realistic target. 
 

Morton: Robbie Muirhead - no, absolute huddie. 
 

Hamilton: Literally no one. Children. 
 

Inverness: Shane Sutherland - nearly signed him before he went to Inverness but chose to stay up north. Billy McKay - pretty old. George Oakley - might have been an option? Not sure. 
 

Thistle: They have three actually very good options up front, and are the only club in the division to have so. No surprise they are top and look to be the favourites. Graham, Mullen and Anyon Dowds would all walk into our side. They are all very likely earning much more money with Thistle than they could with us. 
 

Queen’s Park: Simon Murray would be a starter for us, no doubt, but given his reported salary, would not even consider a move to us. 
 

There is a complete dearth of attacking talent across the division. There are very, very few options we could have actually got. 

It's an even slimmer list when you factor in players who were signed this summer, which is the window Murray has been operating in.

It's not a Murray problem.  Mcglynn had a sketchy record, at best, for strikers - and the above post highlights how tough its been for others.  There seems to be a lack of quality loan signings also, so really you're looking at young Premiership players or taking a punt on an unknown player.  Which is what he's done.

That said, it's a problem that could contribute heavily to Murray coming under pressure.  I'd like to think at worst we can continue our trend of winning every other game to keep wolves at bay, but it's a tough run of fixtures.  As relatively well as we've defended, if you don't score goals you're open to losing tight games 1-0, as per our last 2 away games.

[CountryBumpkin]

6 minutes ago, CALDERON said:

It's an even slimmer list when you factor in players who were signed this summer, which is the window Murray has been operating in.

It's not a Murray problem.  Mcglynn had a sketchy record, at best, for strikers - and the above post highlights how tough its been for others.  There seems to be a lack of quality loan signings also, so really you're looking at young Premiership players or taking a punt on an unknown player.  Which is what he's done.

That said, it's a problem that could contribute heavily to Murray coming under pressure.  I'd like to think at worst we can continue our trend of winning every other game to keep wolves at bay, but it's a tough run of fixtures.  As relatively well as we've defended, if you don't score goals you're open to losing tight games 1-0, as per our last 2 away games.

Agreed. It's also a problem exacerbated by the hamstring injury for Gullan which limits our options further. We need more goals from all over the park. Connolly, Ross, Easton etc have to step up and be more consistent in that regard as much as our strikers need to find form. 

[cb_diamond]

15 hours ago, CALDERON said:

How are Airdrie doing? Haven't heard the "Airdrie are doing so much better without Murray " argument for a while.

I don't know if that argument can be used in either direction to be fair, given we've got a squad of about 15, 3 of whom are keepers

[stevoraith]

Actually looking at the strikers for each club in the Championship:
Arbroath: Kareem Isiaka - had him on trial, not good enough. Dale Hilson? No thanks. 
 
Ayr: Dipo Akinyemi - would take him. A total shot in the dark though, and it’s not exactly a name you’d be sitting down and identifying pre-season. (What a truly horrific website btw)
Cove: Megginson - failed here before and it clearly suits him to be based up there.
 
Dundee: Zak Rudden - would take. However, just joined Dundee and likely on a fortune. Not a realistic target. 
 
Morton: Robbie Muirhead - no, absolute huddie. 
 
Hamilton: Literally no one. Children. 
 
Inverness: Shane Sutherland - nearly signed him before he went to Inverness but chose to stay up north. Billy McKay - pretty old. George Oakley - might have been an option? Not sure. 
 
Thistle: They have three actually very good options up front, and are the only club in the division to have so. No surprise they are top and look to be the favourites. Graham, Mullen and Anyon Dowds would all walk into our side. They are all very likely earning much more money with Thistle than they could with us. 
 
Queen’s Park: Simon Murray would be a starter for us, no doubt, but given his reported salary, would not even consider a move to us. 
 
There is a complete dearth of attacking talent across the division. There are very, very few options we could have actually got. 

There is no room for such reasoned analysis in here.
Just because there are no obvious strikers that we could have realistically signed, doesn’t mean Murray shouldn’t have pulled a 20-goal-a-season striker out of his backside.

[stevoraith]

Actually looking at the strikers for each club in the Championship:
Arbroath: Kareem Isiaka - had him on trial, not good enough. Dale Hilson? No thanks. 
 
Ayr: Dipo Akinyemi - would take him. A total shot in the dark though, and it’s not exactly a name you’d be sitting down and identifying pre-season. (What a truly horrific website btw)
Cove: Megginson - failed here before and it clearly suits him to be based up there.
 
Dundee: Zak Rudden - would take. However, just joined Dundee and likely on a fortune. Not a realistic target. 
 
Morton: Robbie Muirhead - no, absolute huddie. 
 
Hamilton: Literally no one. Children. 
 
Inverness: Shane Sutherland - nearly signed him before he went to Inverness but chose to stay up north. Billy McKay - pretty old. George Oakley - might have been an option? Not sure. 
 
Thistle: They have three actually very good options up front, and are the only club in the division to have so. No surprise they are top and look to be the favourites. Graham, Mullen and Anyon Dowds would all walk into our side. They are all very likely earning much more money with Thistle than they could with us. 
 
Queen’s Park: Simon Murray would be a starter for us, no doubt, but given his reported salary, would not even consider a move to us. 
 
There is a complete dearth of attacking talent across the division. There are very, very few options we could have actually got. 

There is no room for such reasoned analysis in here.
Just because there are no obvious strikers that we could have realistically signed, doesn’t mean Murray shouldn’t have pulled a 20-goal-a-season striker out of his backside.

[Nairney]

On 15/10/2022 at 19:19, Beastie Russell said:

Heard our highly paid CEO is away, 9 months too late in my opinion, but better late than never.

Just wondered if anyone had any more info on this?

[DaveT]

My first post on this subject was to do with the loss to Morton from there it has grown arms and legs with everyone coming up with there interpretation of what we should do.

For me most of our issues started before the season even started, our new manager was left to build a team with possibly too little time to do it.

Doesn't matter we dont have a 20 goal a season striker, the issue is we dont score enough goals, we dont hurt teams when it matters, we dont control games at key times.

Again the manager brought in a number of the players we now have in the team and the do play some pretty football.

But the name of the game is scoring goals, if we cant score goals we can run all day and play as much pretty football as you like but we wont win games.

Can only hope the players on the pitch start to gell a bit more as a team and get the results there play often deserves.

[Heid_The_Baw]

Canny believe folk are calling for the managers head already.  This was always going to be a rebuild season after finally punting that dumplin McGlynn out the door.  Remember, a lot of our issues this season are STILL his fault.  No pot to piss in thanks to him signing THAT twat from Clyde and the subsequent pay off.  Leaving his maybe one good signing amongst dozens.......
I am quite confident we will finish this season without any playoffs.  We are nowhere near good enough for the up the ways, but we are too good for the down the ways.  Last season it was as well we started so well, otherwise it would be us with the buckets and spades rather than the Townies.
Put it this way, if it was a choice to have McGlynn back for a fortnight, or sign Murray up on a 15 year mega contract, I would hand Murray the pen.
Yes, he has his faults, but then again he is manager of Raith Rovers FC, not Man City or Real Madrid.  Still the best we could get at our level.