The New Raith Rovers Thread

[Been going too long]

7 minutes ago, Scottydog said:

Ok, 

As I see it the progress and upward momentum of the club in the past 3 seasons would hopefully  suggest a continuation of that progress no? ie a better manager coming than we already had.

As I see it none of the names mentioned (except for Jack Ross) is an upgrade on what we had in the previous manager, ergo what was the point in shuffling him out the door?

 

Hopefully in 6 months time I'm on here with a big spoon eating humble pie, but in the mean time I feel we have leaped without looking or to put it another way thrown out the baby with the bathwater. 

Fair enough I’m sad Mcglynn is away as well but I think the situation him and the board created in January necessitated change and changing the manager is easier than the board. Would Mcglynn have taken us up? I’m not sure he has built two teams for it and never achieved it in his both spells. I’m intrigued if Thomson gets it as he has won things before as have a couple of others, Mcglynn couldn’t stay forever and he had his obvious faults for example the answer to our striker problems was already in the squad and he did have a generous budget last year. Anyway let’s see who gets it but as always COYR 

[TxRover]

48 minutes ago, Been going too long said:

Fair enough I’m sad Mcglynn is away as well but I think the situation him and the board created in January necessitated change and changing the manager is easier than the board. Would Mcglynn have taken us up? I’m not sure he has built two teams for it and never achieved it in his both spells. I’m intrigued if Thomson gets it as he has won things before as have a couple of others, Mcglynn couldn’t stay forever and he had his obvious faults for example the answer to our striker problems was already in the squad and he did have a generous budget last year. Anyway let’s see who gets it but as always COYR 

I think we’re blinded by ambition. The next manager needs to consolidate, not promote, the team position. Raith still has significant debt, we’ve added community problems and pissed off a decent percentage of the fan base. We need a team manager who can firm us into a mid to upper Championship side while rebuilding community and fan base ties. Meanwhile, Sim will be developing SP, and hopeful shutting his gob. After the Rovers are stabilized, and in a better place financially, then we can make a genuine effort for promotion.

[Beachbum]

14 minutes ago, TxRover said:

I think we’re blinded by ambition. The next manager needs to consolidate, not promote, the team position. Raith still has significant debt, we’ve added community problems and pissed off a decent percentage of the fan base. We need a team manager who can firm us into a mid to upper Championship side while rebuilding community and fan base ties. Meanwhile, Sim will be developing SP, and hopeful shutting his gob. After the Rovers are stabilized, and in a better place financially, then we can make a genuine effort for promotion.

The best way to rid ourselves of debt is to get promoted to the Premiership because that's where the money is. Stuff consolidation.

[Scary Bear]

35 minutes ago, TxRover said:

I think we’re blinded by ambition. The next manager needs to consolidate, not promote, the team position. Raith still has significant debt, we’ve added community problems and pissed off a decent percentage of the fan base. We need a team manager who can firm us into a mid to upper Championship side while rebuilding community and fan base ties. Meanwhile, Sim will be developing SP, and hopeful shutting his gob. After the Rovers are stabilized, and in a better place financially, then we can make a genuine effort for promotion.

Nah, it would be good to do an Accies or a Livi and get promoted.

[Rovers1992/1993]

I think we’re blinded by ambition. The next manager needs to consolidate, not promote, the team position. Raith still has significant debt, we’ve added community problems and pissed off a decent percentage of the fan base. We need a team manager who can firm us into a mid to upper Championship side while rebuilding community and fan base ties. Meanwhile, Sim will be developing SP, and hopeful shutting his gob. After the Rovers are stabilized, and in a better place financially, then we can make a genuine effort for promotion.

You think the new manager that comes in main objective, should be to consolidate us( a team that in the last 2 seasons, have finished 3rd(lost out on 2nd last game of the season) and 5th by 2 points) into a mid table championship side?

When you change manager, the new managers task is to, always, better the previous manager.

[Raith Against The Machine]

41 minutes ago, Beachbum said:

The best way to rid ourselves of debt is to get promoted to the Premiership because that's where the money is. Stuff consolidation.

What we should really do is get to the Champions League group stage. 

[HoBNob]

Consolidation in the Championship isn't really a thing, mid table means you're either going for the playoffs, or you're still quite worried about relegation going into the last quarter. 

Due to the tight nature of the league if you're hovering in that mid table range you're just as likely to get sucked down than up. 

[TxRover]

46 minutes ago, Beachbum said:

The best way to rid ourselves of debt is to get promoted to the Premiership because that's where the money is. Stuff consolidation.

I doubt it would be that profitable right now. With the renovation of the Railway Stand and the repairs of the North and South Stands pending, we’d be better off waiting. The expenses also go up dramatically, and SP can currently handle Championship crowds well, not so sure about Premiership ones.

29 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

Nah, it would be good to do an Accies or a Livi and get promoted.

Not if we immediately crash out again, it might actually cost us.

19 minutes ago, Rovers1992/1993 said:

You think the new manager that comes in main objective, should be to consolidate us( a team that in the last 2 seasons, have finished 3rd(lost out on 2nd last game of the season) and 5th by 2 points) into a mid table championship side?

When you change manager, the new managers task is to, always, better the previous manager.

So Man U was looking to better Ferguson with Moyes, eh? No, a managers job is to reach the goals the club outlines for him/her. And I absolutely think we have been pretty lucky the last couple of years to finish that well, so I’d much prefer a manager who lead us to several seasons of mid to upper Championship results while building our structure to properly compete at the top level.

10 minutes ago, Against The Machine said:

What we should really do is get to the Champions League group stage. 

Why stop there?

[Ro Sham Bo]

8 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Consolidation in the Championship isn't really a thing, mid table means you're either going for the playoffs, or you're still quite worried about relegation going into the last quarter. 

Due to the tight nature of the league if you're hovering in that mid table range you're just as likely to get sucked down than up. 

Pretty much what I was about to say. You are rarely more than a couple of wins or defeats from potential glory or disaster. 

[San Starko Rover]

21 minutes ago, TxRover said:

So Man U was looking to better Ferguson with Moyes, eh? No, a managers job is to reach the goals the club outlines for him/her. And I absolutely think we have been pretty lucky the last couple of years to finish that well, so I’d much prefer a manager who lead us to several seasons of mid to upper Championship results while building our structure to properly compete at the top level.

Bit of an extreme example considering Ferguson is arguably the greatest manager in football history who wasn’t sacked and didn’t move on, he retired after an extremely long period leaving an EPL winning team and one of the giants of world football. Anyone following him was never going to be expected to better the previous manager. 

[craigkillie]

The prize money and gate income is substantially higher in the Premiership, you would have to be the worst run club in the world (eg Dunfermline Athletic, Dundee FC) to not be better off in that league than the Championship.

[TxRover]

4 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The prize money and gate income is substantially higher in the Premiership, you would have to be the worst run club in the world (eg Dunfermline Athletic, Dundee FC) to not be better off in that league than the Championship.

We’re residents of that neighborhood.

30 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said:

Bit of an extreme example considering Ferguson is arguably the greatest manager in football history who wasn’t sacked and didn’t move on, he retired after an extremely long period leaving an EPL winning team and one of the giants of world football. Anyone following him was never going to be expected to better the previous manager. 

My point exactly.

49 minutes ago, Ro Sham Bo said:

Pretty much what I was about to say. You are rarely more than a couple of wins or defeats from potential glory or disaster. 

I understand the concern, but we need to get a solid manager, not a magician that gets us promoted. We’re a shambles right now, we need that straightened up and everything shined up.

[foreverarover]

I think we’re blinded by ambition. The next manager needs to consolidate, not promote, the team position. Raith still has significant debt, we’ve added community problems and pissed off a decent percentage of the fan base. We need a team manager who can firm us into a mid to upper Championship side while rebuilding community and fan base ties. Meanwhile, Sim will be developing SP, and hopeful shutting his gob. After the Rovers are stabilized, and in a better place financially, then we can make a genuine effort for promotion.

When will Raith be in a better place Financially. We are over £1m in debt and own f**k all of what we play on. You'll never get a decent base support if the warcry is "Aye, well, we'll just lumber around midtable, take yer money and pretend to clear debt.". Even a year or do in the top league will struggle to clear it as you'd have to pay promotion bonuses then you have to bring in higher earning players to compete.

[Scary Bear]

17 minutes ago, foreverarover said:

When will Raith be in a better place Financially. We are over £1m in debt and own f**k all of what we play on. You'll never get a decent base support if the warcry is "Aye, well, we'll just lumber around midtable, take yer money and pretend to clear debt.". Even a year or do in the top league will struggle to clear it as you'd have to pay promotion bonuses then you have to bring in higher earning players to compete.

The previous trips to the top division saw us get a significant uplift in fans. I recall the 1997/98 season back down in the First Division (aka Championship). A bunch of us travelled through to Stirling Albion for the opening game (a 1-1 draw) and we couldn’t get in the stand and had to go on the terracing. We jumped on a bin and jumped the wall into the empty home terracing then got a police escort round to the away terracing (I am all in favour of free entry). The crowd was 2159. When we played Stirling Albion in the home fixture there were 3280 in Starks. These are games with Stirling Albion. I definitely preferred being a Premiership/Championship yo-yo team. Hopefully we can get back to that someday.

[foreverarover]

The previous trips to the top division saw us get a significant uplift in fans. I recall the 1997/98 season back down in the First Division (aka Championship). A bunch of us travelled through to Stirling Albion for the opening game (a 1-1 draw) and we couldn’t get in the stand and had to go on the terracing. We jumped on a bin and jumped the wall into the empty home terracing then got a police escort round to the away terracing (I am all in favour of free entry). The crowd was 2159. When we played Stirling Albion in the home fixture there were 3280 in Starks. These are games with Stirling Albion. I definitely preferred being a Premiership/Championship yo-yo team. Hopefully we can get back to that someday.

It couldn't come at a worse time. Folk just now are having to spend money set aside on 50p per litre increases in petrol and diesel. Hundreds of pounds a year in fuel. Im thinking the uptake unless its top manger will be half of past seasons tbh.

[Scary Bear]

Just now, foreverarover said:

4 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

The previous trips to the top division saw us get a significant uplift in fans. I recall the 1997/98 season back down in the First Division (aka Championship). A bunch of us travelled through to Stirling Albion for the opening game (a 1-1 draw) and we couldn’t get in the stand and had to go on the terracing. We jumped on a bin and jumped the wall into the empty home terracing then got a police escort round to the away terracing (I am all in favour of free entry). The crowd was 2159. When we played Stirling Albion in the home fixture there were 3280 in Starks. These are games with Stirling Albion. I definitely preferred being a Premiership/Championship yo-yo team. Hopefully we can get back to that someday.

It couldn't come at a worse time. Folk just now are having to spend money set aside on 50p per litre increases in petrol and diesel. Hundreds of pounds a year in fuel. Im thinking the uptake unless its top manger will be half of past seasons tbh.

No matter what league we’re in, the current cost of living crisis is going to have an effect. Everything has gone up massively in price so disposal income isn’t going to be a thing for a lot of people. 

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, Scary Bear said:

No matter what league we’re in, the current cost of living crisis is going to have an effect. Everything has gone up massively in price so disposal income isn’t going to be a thing for a lot of people. 

A solid point, and a chance for the club to reconnect with the community by offering some options. Surely options for partial ST’s or buy three tickets, get one free to a match might cost a small amount of revenue but increase attendance. It’s not the simplest to run, but with the ticketing upgrades, it’s quite doable. Maybe drop the prices on child and youth tickets?

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

12 hours ago, Brashy's Boots said:

Well I think it's fair to say that name caught us out a bit. We have no objective view on how good he is, other than having a not unexpected nightmare at a car crash club - Cowdenbeath. Speaking of which, anyone going along to Central Park on Saturday?

 

8 hours ago, Specky Ginger said:

I half thought about it.

Would have gone along to support Cowdenbeath if they had any realistic chance of pulling it round, but really don't want to be there to see them drop out of the league.

I'd be delighted if they turn it around and for the second Saturday in a row I'm cursing myself for not attending a game in West Fife.

£10 PPV

[Jilted John]

So today is D day for the applications. You’d like to assume that anyone who wanted the job would have applied by now and not left it to the last minute. The board have already begun the interviews so let’s hope for an appointment by the beginning of next week.

I see Dundee have hinted at a management restructure next season, I wonder if Thomson will hold out for that one?

[Double Jack D]

f**k this consolidation malarkey. We have players signed up good enough to challenge for promotion. What we need is a manager who can identify and add whats needed and get them playing in a way that realises this. McGlynn couldn't do it and is now gone. I don't know who on the shortlist will be able to do it but the board in their interviews should absolutely be demanding a promotion challenge of the new boss. The new boss should be demanding it of themselves. There is nothing in the league to fear next season. It will be competitive yes but we've as good a chance as anyone else.