The New Raith Rovers Thread

[Brashy's Boots]

Yer man is now debating with a chap saying he'll make his own mind up what is the truth.
f**k me.

Yes indeed. Marty G is quite the intellect;

"Al make my own mind up on whats the proper truth. The main truth for me is val didnt like not being consulted. B clark didnt like others going against him. Both have been heavy in the media. That for me says enough."

Not sure who Al is.....

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

Just now, Brashy's Boots said:

Not sure who Al is.....

I'll

[San Starko Rover]

7 minutes ago, 101 said:

Tbh the story was still the lead story on Sunday night radio Scotland news.

It's not as intense but the terrible exposure for Raith is still ongoing.

It will continue untill all the guilty parties are removed but will spike next time McGlynn has to do an interview and offer another non-apology.

And you lot said we’re a wee team when we’re clearly box office

don’t think it’s quite continue until everyone is gone but it’ll certainly continue until something is said by the board and depending on what it is depends on where this goes. Anyway it’s not fucking good right now. 

[Brashy's Boots]

I'll

I was being sarcastic....

[Raith Against The Machine]

There's nothing to be gained trying to argue with that. It's not even a well-formed enough point of view to try and counter. 

Just weak gibberish from someone who feels they owe a loyalty to the intangible concept of a "club" over and above everything else, regardless of what evidence may or may not be present. 

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

1 minute ago, Brashy's Boots said:

6 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said:

I'll

I was being sarcastic....

It's good to see you've retained a sense of humour in these times.

[Brashy's Boots]

It's good to see you've retained a sense of humour in these times.

It's that or throw myself in the traffic. There's There's few in favour of the latter but not enough so far.

[Rovers_Lad]

2 hours ago, roverthemoon said:

Clark tried to imply that Clyde offered us Goodwillie and it was sent upstairs to the Board, rather than McGlynn actively going out to try and sign him. This feels a bit like trying to protect McGlynn. Even if the player was offered this way, surely there’s still a step in the process where McGlynn thinks, ‘Aye, I’d have him in my squad’ or ‘No thanks’. A player isn’t going to be considered by the Board unless the manager has somehow approved it. 

Exactly

Bill Clark attempted to absolve McGlynn of some of any blame by trying to seperate football management  from club management but surely where a signing is concerned they go hand in hand

Was under the impression when managers,clubs look to sign players they look at a players character,background.

Would the said player be accepted,made welcoms by the other players,would he be a good player to have in the dressing room etc etc

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Rovers_Lad

[RavyDavy]

I think I've just caught up on several days worth of posts and what I've read is mostly grim.

First of all, before I get called a "rape apologist" - a term that just needs to be booted into the sea really (there are no "rape apologists" on P&B or even in the boardroom of evil at Starks Park), I want to be clear that my view is that anyone found to guilty of a crime as serious as DG was judged to be has no place in professional football 

However, he has been allowed to have that place for the 5 years following the civil case and that is a failing of EVERYONE involved in Scottish Football (although some more so than others, obviously). And include in that the clubs, governing bodies, sponsors, fans, media, politicians and so on. The relatively low amount of fuss (and it was relatively low when compared to the shit show we've seen over the past week) and subsequent indifference to DG playing for Clyde is acceptance by silence. Maybe if fans had protested at every ground, media outlets ran negative opinion pieces and ex-board members used their relative celebrity status to lobby Scottish Football authorities, then we don't get here.

Maybe if our politicians took more of an interest when it wasn't their friends expressing disgust, maybe if the governing bodies had any kind of clue, then we don't get here.

Our BoD, our management team, are not supportive of rapists. They are a bunch of old guys badly out of touch with modern society and too arrogant to listen to advice, although they in all likelihood, risk assessed the backlash against what levels Clyde had seen. These were monumentally bad and ill-judged decisions.

But hounding them all out of Raith Rovers tomorrow is not the answer. In general, our support did a great job in letting those who run the club have fucked up but this witch hunt and talks of community funded buy outs is just mental.

1. You can't just remove the entire management structure of a business overnight and expect it to survive. Up until this time last week RRFC was in the best position it had been for years... Instead of burning at the stake, maybe supporters engagement with the board will help educate and drive better decision making in future?

2. Anyone expecting John Sim to simply sell up (and on the cheap) is living in cloud cuckoo land. Running any campaign to starve the club of cash will end the club completely. Football clubs like RRFC are more than their owners or managers of the day... I want this team to still be here in the future when all of this is just a black day in our history... I will not support any action that damages us further.

And just to reiterate, we are all in someway culpable for the situation. Even the seemingly self appointed moral compass of our support @McGuigan1978... For it seems even he, in submissions to his Terrace blog and BBC Sport website, has indicated acceptance of DGs prescence in the lower leagues by way of a nod to his performances on the football pitch... Not something that someone outraged about a rapist playing football would do? 

 

[Black and White Tragic]

21 minutes ago, RavyDavy said:

I think I've just caught up on several days worth of posts and what I've read is mostly grim.

First of all, before I get called a "rape apologist" - a term that just needs to be booted into the sea really (there are no "rape apologists" on P&B or even in the boardroom of evil at Starks Park), I want to be clear that my view is that anyone found to guilty of a crime as serious as DG was judged to be has no place in professional football 

However, he has been allowed to have that place for the 5 years following the civil case and that is a failing of EVERYONE involved in Scottish Football (although some more so than others, obviously). And include in that the clubs, governing bodies, sponsors, fans, media, politicians and so on. The relatively low amount of fuss (and it was relatively low when compared to the shit show we've seen over the past week) and subsequent indifference to DG playing for Clyde is acceptance by silence. Maybe if fans had protested at every ground, media outlets ran negative opinion pieces and ex-board members used their relative celebrity status to lobby Scottish Football authorities, then we don't get here.

Maybe if our politicians took more of an interest when it wasn't their friends expressing disgust, maybe if the governing bodies had any kind of clue, then we don't get here.

Our BoD, our management team, are not supportive of rapists. They are a bunch of old guys badly out of touch with modern society and too arrogant to listen to advice, although they in all likelihood, risk assessed the backlash against what levels Clyde had seen. These were monumentally bad and ill-judged decisions.

But hounding them all out of Raith Rovers tomorrow is not the answer. In general, our support did a great job in letting those who run the club have fucked up but this witch hunt and talks of community funded buy outs is just mental.

1. You can't just remove the entire management structure of a business overnight and expect it to survive. Up until this time last week RRFC was in the best position it had been for years... Instead of burning at the stake, maybe supporters engagement with the board will help educate and drive better decision making in future?

2. Anyone expecting John Sim to simply sell up (and on the cheap) is living in cloud cuckoo land. Running any campaign to starve the club of cash will end the club completely. Football clubs like RRFC are more than their owners or managers of the day... I want this team to still be here in the future when all of this is just a black day in our history... I will not support any action that damages us further.

And just to reiterate, we are all in someway culpable for the situation. Even the seemingly self appointed moral compass of our support @McGuigan1978... For it seems even he, in submissions to his Terrace blog and BBC Sport website, has indicated acceptance of DGs prescence in the lower leagues by way of a nod to his performances on the football pitch... Not something that someone outraged about a rapist playing football would do? 

 

In defence of Mr McGuigan there is no acceptance in that report, you're reading something that's just not there. He more than likely (like most fans of other clubs) didn't like the idea but was just glad he wasn't at their club. Note that most of the voices speaking out (both times) have come from people associated with the clubs, albeit fans, board members, and/or sponsors.

[roverthemoon]

6 minutes ago, Its not only a game said:

Thise who weighed in are as guilty as those at RR who made the dreadful mistake in the first place. 2 wrongs do not make a right.

What? Anyone who spoke out is as guilty as the 4 directors who wanted to sign a rapist? Jesus, Think we are finally through the looking glass here. 

[San Starko Rover]

3 minutes ago, Its not only a game said:

By the way if you and your Dad came, it would be 90 minutes you would never get back in your life. Truly painful times here in Methil- we are an ever dwindling core who support our team  through thick and thin! My god at the moment Its thin!

You have Sim, and Gods knows what he was thinking re the decision, however  we have owners who dont care and we are dying by a thousand cuts by comparison!

Some have commented on my criticism of Val alleging some agenda. No agenda. She has said her piece, which I agree with. But haven withdrawn her financial support  she needs to let it go, ! Leave it now, to the others remaining who are  committed to  rescuing the club  in its time of despair to find a solution in difficult circumstances..

The hypocrisy  that we can all see, is that the person in question played for 5 years with no political comment, until a major

supporter weighed in.. The victim Here is the poor girl and her family. Thise who weighed in are as guilty as those at RR who made the dreadful mistake in the first place. 2 wrongs do not make a right.

 

Anyway said my piece will

say no more 

 

You’re more than welcome to say more of your piece pal.  Absolutely no need to “say no more” you’ve made some good points from what I’ve seen and I agree the victim is 100% the poor girl and her family.  I think fans like yourself have shown no agenda through this. There’s a lot of strong opinions right now but I think all opinions are welcome to try and sort a way through this mess we’ve got ourselves in there are mo right or wrong answers. 

[Scottydog]

1 hour ago, San Starko Rover said:

And you lot said we’re a wee team when we’re clearly box office

Though currently in a Golden Raspberry sort of way!

[San Starko Rover]

Just now, Scottydog said:

Though currently in a Golden Raspberry sort of way!

Hey a wins a win and we’ve no seen one for a while. 

[HoBNob]

7 hours ago, Rovers_Lad said:

 

Was under the impression when managers,clubs look to sign players they look at a players character,background.

Would the said player be accepted,made welcoms by the other players,would he be a good player to have in the dressing room etc etc

 

Indeed, for our signings last week Hughes was very complimentary om fhs role our chairman played, however Hughes also made the point that we'd gotten the players up, seen there attitude etc. In the end the decision to sign a player will come from the manager. It'll be the board who deal with the financial ramifications. 

[AsimButtHitsASix]

9 hours ago, RavyDavy said:

And just to reiterate, we are all in someway culpable for the situation. Even the seemingly self appointed moral compass of our support @McGuigan1978... For it seems even he, in submissions to his Terrace blog and BBC Sport website, has indicated acceptance of DGs prescence in the lower leagues by way of a nod to his performances on the football pitch... Not something that someone outraged about a rapist playing football would do? 

 

 

Ye say that as tho' that podcast/website also doesn't have previous for reminding everyone that Goodwillie is a sex offender



The people who report on and discuss Scottish football aren't the decision makers. None of them signed David Goodwillie for Clyde. When he played for Clyde where they to refer to him like some evil wizard/guitarist for The Dwarves as "He Who Shall Not Be Named"? Are you gonna go into the League One forum and castigate anyone who said Goodwillie had a good game against them? What a fucking ludicrous take. 

Raith fans have said they don't want Goodwillie at their club and are absolutely free to react however they want to that signing. They can't tell Clyde fans who can/cannot play for their club. If Clyde do sign a rapist should all other fans or writers just ignore his existence on the off chance they get annoyed their club signs him years later? 

What a fucking nonsense.

[Jilted John]

22 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Ye say that as tho' that podcast/website also doesn't have previous for reminding everyone that Goodwillie is a sex offender



The people who report on and discuss Scottish football aren't the decision makers. None of them signed David Goodwillie for Clyde. When he played for Clyde where they to refer to him like some evil wizard/guitarist for The Dwarves as "He Who Shall Not Be Named"? Are you gonna go into the League One forum and castigate anyone who said Goodwillie had a good game against them? What a fucking ludicrous take. 

Raith fans have said they don't want Goodwillie at their club and are absolutely free to react however they want to that signing. They can't tell Clyde fans who can/cannot play for their club. If Clyde do sign a rapist should all other fans or writers just ignore his existence on the off chance they get annoyed their club signs him years later? 

What a fucking nonsense.

The guy he’s referring to, that does the podcast is a Raith fan. Not sure if you know. I think what he’s trying to say is that he raves about him on the podcast, giving him media attention but then complained when he signed for his club.

[Double Jack D]

10 hours ago, RavyDavy said:

And just to reiterate, we are all in someway culpable for the situation. Even the seemingly self appointed moral compass of our support @McGuigan1978... For it seems even he, in submissions to his Terrace blog and BBC Sport website, has indicated acceptance of DGs prescence in the lower leagues by way of a nod to his performances on the football pitch... Not something that someone outraged about a rapist playing football would do? 

Having listened to Shaughan's podcast and his input on here, I 'd be happy to appoint him as moral compass for the club if I had the power. I think his views are bang on the money.

I don't think commenting on Goodwillies performance on the pitch for another team indicates acceptance of anything. 

[Double Jack D]

Anyway, We are leading up this week to a high profile cup tie against Celtic. Hard to imagine we are going to be able to avoid the media so I wonder if there is any grand plan for the future being developed.

From the outside looking in I have to say I'm not hopeful of anything substantial.

[oneteaminglasgow]

8 minutes ago, Jilted John said:

The guy he’s referring to, that does the podcast is a Raith fan. Not sure if you know. I think what he’s trying to say is that he raves about him on the podcast, giving him media attention but then complained when he signed for his club.

As someone who listens to the podcasts, they frequently pointed out that David Goodwillie is a rapist when discussing anything to do with Clyde.

I’m not sure if you’re defending the point made or not, but it’s absolute bollocks.