baillieinleeds Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Raith Against The Machine said: There's a real lack of nuance when it comes to discussing this case. Too many people want to reduce it to a black and white "guilty" and "innocent" as if it's a case of mistaken identity. Like the two possible scenarios are that David Goodwillie is a rapist, or he was at home reading his bible. He's either 100% guilty or 100% not guilty. And that's just not the case. The facts of the case may not have met the appropriate threshold for a criminal conviction (because of the need for corroboration, such as I understand it), but there's much more information about the events of the night. The actions of David Goodwillie, as detailed in the civil case, are the actions of a deeply despicable person. Too many people are choosing to be wilfully ignorant. They're choosing to take the headline "not successfully prosecuted in criminal court" because the person in question can score goals, without taking on board the additional information available. The justice system has to stick by very specific rules and standards. That's the best set of guidelines we have to keep all of us safe, both as victims and potentially as suspects of crime. But the rest of us aren't bound by that. We can take the information that's in the public domain and reach our own conclusions. It's deeply, deeply depressing that so many people are willing to go to bat for despicable scum like David Goodwillie just because he's good at football. That last paragraph was succinct and to the point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Can I add that I read the evidence the last time that we were linked with him and agree that there was wrongdoings. Let's be realistic though... Someone who is so insistent of his innocence to the extent that he appealed the initial verdict isn't going to show remorse (even for his actions leading up to the allegations) as he'd see it as an admission of guilt. I'm not saying he shouldn't, more that he won't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halbeath Raith Rover Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) You hear stories from the press about two folk going home drunk and the next morning the woman feels she was too drunk to consent, and you think the two of them have got drunk and done something at least one of then regrets but its a mistake not a crime. That's clearly not the case here. The two of them at the very least plied her with drink, obtained a key to a flat to take her to, assured a bouncer they would look after her, and preyed on her. I believe in second chances for most people, but the level of premeditation here makes me think he has some deep deep character flaws. I wouldnt touch him for all the reasons previously stated, and because I dont think he is the kind of character we want in the dressing room. Edited December 30, 2021 by Halbeath Raith Rover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) Definitely worth a listen for the mentions of Rovers in Munich. That bit is towards the end. Edited December 30, 2021 by Scary Bear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beastie Russell Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Scary Bear said: Definitely worth a listen for the mentions of Rovers in Munich. That bit is towards the end. Thanks for that, the man is a god 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Raithie said: There is a possibility we weren't even linked with Goodwillie in the first place? Could have just been lazy journalism with it being pulled from this thread several pages ago and it suddenly grew arms and legs. The journo in question is normally pretty reliable, it seems more likely that someone at Raith has been weighing it up, it's no secret that you're a good, goalscoring striker away from being heavy favourites for the league, has someone thought that would sway the Raith faithful to be more forgiving for signing him? Sadly a few idiots have taken that view, however the vast majority are quite rightfully not having it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embow Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) I just wish folk would stop giving the Goodwillie stuff oxygen. All that's doing is giving the press more ammunition to fill column inches with pure conjecture at a time when they have much less to write about their beloved Premiership. Just look how the Dundee Courier is all over this today and not all of it, by any means, on the sports' pages. None of this 'rumourmongering' is doing the club any good when the full focus should be on being fully prepared for a derby battle on Sunday. Edited December 30, 2021 by embow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantene proV Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 The team will be fully-focused. Not sure some of our our supporters are given the last few pages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJimmyofNic Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 The whole story was probably dreamed up on the back of a fag packet on info from a friend of a friend who's second cousin is a barber 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, SirJimmyofNic said: The whole story was probably dreamed up on the back of a fag packet on info from a friend of a friend who's second cousin is a barber That’s how I heard about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Rover Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, SirJimmyofNic said: is a barber Its becoming quite clear that being a barber is the job to have if you want to start some transfer rumors 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 There’s a player waiting in the wings. Jamie Gullan. Get him signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Grant228 said: The journo in question is normally pretty reliable, it seems more likely that someone at Raith has been weighing it up, it's no secret that you're a good, goalscoring striker away from being heavy favourites for the league, has someone thought that would sway the Raith faithful to be more forgiving for signing him? Sadly a few idiots have taken that view, however the vast majority are quite rightfully not having it. We're a fair bit more than that away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted John Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I think this whole thing is going to end up being a master stroke by the club. Everyone knows we need a prolific striker but they’ve lined up someone who’s not prolific and are worried that the fans might moan. They start a rumour about wanting to sign Goodwillie, everyone goes crazy. They then announce the non prolific striker and everyone is over the moon that it wasn’t Goodwillie! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRFC2711 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I think this whole thing is going to end up being a master stroke by the club. Everyone knows we need a prolific striker but they’ve lined up someone who’s not prolific and are worried that the fans might moan. They start a rumour about wanting to sign Goodwillie, everyone goes crazy. They then announce the non prolific striker and everyone is over the moon that it wasn’t Goodwillie!So Gullan it is then……prolific strikers don’t grow on trees ya know… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandohope Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Offshore Rover said: Its becoming quite clear that being a barber is the job to have if you want to start some transfer rumors One who worked just of kirkcaldy high street was an expert at that when it came to Raith and burds 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, RRFC2711 said: So Gullan it is then……prolific strikers don’t grow on trees ya know… Gullan’s destiny lies at Raith Rovers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bandohope said: One who worked just of kirkcaldy high street was an expert at that when it came to Raith and burds Is that the baldy guy up the Arcade??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said: Gullan’s destiny lies at Raith Rovers Poor c**t. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 13 hours ago, bullywee2010 said: I would fully agree with the above if Goodwillie had been tried and convicted in a criminal court rather than a civil court and if that had been the case I would've wanted him nowhere near my club. However, from speaking with people who were involved with the case and others in the law profession more generally the consensus is the Goodwillie case is the perfect example of why these sort of cases should not be allowed to be tried in a civil court. The fact someone with no criminal record for an alleged rape and who is not on the sex offenders register can have their career ruined by being branded a rapist is wrong. Ultimately, nobody knows what happened that night other than those present and if he maintains he is innocent then why should he have to fake repentance to be able to sign for clubs. The same arguments were made about Ched Evans down south who showed no remorse once released from prison, yet when found not guilty on appeal there was no apology from those such as Jessica Ennis that had prevented him (an innocent man) resuming his football career. I am of course bias and want Goodwillie to stay at Clyde but that does not outdo what I think is an unfair restriction that he has had put on his career based on a massively reduced burden of proof and if he was to move on from Clyde for one last go at full-time football he would leave with our best wishes and a thanks for everything he has achieved with us. No. Innocent. No. Play for Raith. Hell No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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