The New Raith Rovers Thread

[Sweaty Morph]

1 hour ago, spot on said:

You really think that the club should be responding officially to every rumour that appears on social media FFs get a grip

I think in this particular case it would be a good idea, don't you think?

[Michael W]

Remembering the spirit of the Gary Glen transfer saga at this time. 

 

[101]

1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Quite frustrating that this seems to come up fairly often without any real threat of actually happening. Drives the fan base apart and turns folk on one another. 

Any club is better off not having roasters fans that want someone like him in the squad.

[Broken Algorithms]

There seems to a view he'd be guaranteed goals which reminds me of how we signed Spence and Buchanan who scored about 60 goals between them the season before Barry Smith brought them in. I don't think either ended the season on double figures.

Then you have our most successful goalscorers over the last decade who both were signed up after underperformed at their previous clubs to some degree.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

8 minutes ago, Broken Algorithms said:

There seems to a view he'd be guaranteed goals which reminds me of how we signed Spence and Buchanan who scored about 60 goals between them the season before Barry Smith brought them in. I don't think either ended the season on double figures.

Then you have our most successful goalscorers over the last decade who both were signed up after underperformed at their previous clubs to some degree.

Buchanan played 25, scored 9.

Spence played 43, scored 13.

All as per Soccerbase.

[San Starko Rover]

1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I see Val McDermid is on twitter saying she doesn’t want him running around with her name across his chest. I think it’s safe to say this won’t be happening. 

Well that’ll be an end of it then! Whether just rumours and speculation or any genuine substance there’s surely not a chance the Rovers board would risk Val McDermid pulling her sponsorship over signing Goodwillie

[Cardle is Magic]

I hear you’re wanting to sign rapists now Rovers?

[Jilted John]

Just now, Cardle is Magic said:

I hear you’re wanting to sign rapists now Rovers?

Trying to score points for this? Wow

[diegomarahenry]

Goodwillie has been linked with us a fair few times and I think someone at the club had to publicly say he would not sign for Ayr for the stories to stop. Looks like they have moved to Raith. 

Its a strange feeling when you are linked with him, You don't want to sign him, but if he did sign, would you stop going? If you did would you celebrate if he scored? Then you have a section of your fanbase who become experts in the law and discuss the difference between civil and criminal convictions. 

 

[roverthemoon]

Dead in the water now…if it was ever even a thing. 

[RR #1]

The state people are getting in over what is just a rumour is incredible. While I wouldn't be in favour of signing Goodwillie I'll still continue to support the club no matter who we sign. 

[pub car king]

Playing devils advocate for a minute It does bring up an interesting point on the rehabilitation of offenders.

Where would people draw the line with a signing would they for arguments sake give someone convicted of murder or manslaughter a chance or would that be a compete no go?

For what it's worth I don't want him for a few reasons. 

1. it would cast a shadow over the off field work the club are doing.

2. It could create a very uncomfortable working environment for employees of the club. 

3. It's a ticking time bomb should he have any further allegations laid against him even if they were 100% malicious.

4. From a footballing perspective I don't think he is at this level anymore.  

 

[Broken Algorithms]

Playing devils advocate for a minute It does bring up an interesting point on the rehabilitation of offenders.
Where would people draw the line with a signing would they for arguments sake give someone convicted of murder or manslaughter a chance or would that be a compete no go?
For what it's worth I don't want him for a few reasons. 
1. it would cast a shadow over the off field work the club are doing.
2. It could create a very uncomfortable working environment for employees of the club. 
3. It's a ticking time bomb should he have any further allegations laid against him even if they were 100% malicious.
4. From a footballing perspective I don't think he is at this level anymore.  
 

He can "rehabilitate" himself in society but there's no obligation for us to do that with us. Playing football is a bit of an anomaly as its entertainment: you've got shareholders in an indirect form in supporters.

Football fans definitely seem to be a bit more forgiving for stuff like this as they want to see the club they're "invested in" do well. We've had numerous players involved in unsavoury incidents before often involving drink but nothing like this.

[Michael W]

2 minutes ago, pub car king said:

Playing devils advocate for a minute It does bring up an interesting point on the rehabilitation of offenders.

Where would people draw the line with a signing would they for arguments sake give someone convicted of murder or manslaughter a chance or would that be a compete no go?

For what it's worth I don't want him for a few reasons. 

1. it would cast a shadow over the off field work the club are doing.

2. It could create a very uncomfortable working environment for employees of the club. 

3. It's a ticking time bomb should he have any further allegations laid against him even if they were 100% malicious.

4. From a footballing perspective I don't think he is at this level anymore.  

 

There probably is some degree of hypocrisy in my view, I will accept. Rehabilitation of offenders is important and removing employment opportunities hinders that. Like you, I don't want him near the club. 

However I think acceptance of what you have done and remorse for those actions are vital parts of the rehabilitation process. I have seen no indication that Goodwillie has shown remorse for his actions. 

[renton]

8 minutes ago, pub car king said:

Playing devils advocate for a minute It does bring up an interesting point on the rehabilitation of offenders.

Where would people draw the line with a signing would they for arguments sake give someone convicted of murder or manslaughter a chance or would that be a compete no go?

For what it's worth I don't want him for a few reasons. 

1. it would cast a shadow over the off field work the club are doing.

2. It could create a very uncomfortable working environment for employees of the club. 

3. It's a ticking time bomb should he have any further allegations laid against him even if they were 100% malicious.

4. From a footballing perspective I don't think he is at this level anymore.  

 

I'm all for rehabilitation, and given offenders a second chance... but rehabilitation requires admitting your wrong doing, contrition and a desire to improve and change.

[Offshore Rover]

In other news, the ballot for the derby is now open until 4pm tomorrow 

[Raithie]

That's our group entered the ballot, 'mon then!

[Cardle is Magic]

53 minutes ago, Jilted John said:

Trying to score points for this? Wow

[CALDERON]

48 minutes ago, renton said:

I'm all for rehabilitation, and given offenders a second chance... but rehabilitation requires admitting your wrong doing, contrition and a desire to improve and change.

This is the point that gets lost for me.  Seen some comparison online to Martindale at Livi, someone who had shown genuine remorse.

Part of being a community club may (may) well mean having a part to play in people's rehabilitation,  but if that was ever to be the case, you need pretty considerable lashings of remorse and recognition of wrongdoing.

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by CALDERON

[Ebanda's Handyman Services]

I'm obviously no expert on the case but I can confidently assume that Goodwillie vehemently denied the allegations. 

If that was the case, why would he show any remorse for something that he maintains never happened?