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I thought I read or heard (somewhere, maybe Raith TV?) that this was Bill Clark’s thinking... he was generally in favour of reconstruction but only if it was a permanent workable solution, not something temporary that would see a number of teams relegated after a few seasons in the top flight. The fact that it wasn’t permanent was the reason they didn’t back the proposal and he / the board would rather wait for a more viable long term reconstruction proposal.

The last proposal was permanent?? So perhaps he’s just a bit sneaky. Shame, as he came across as such a good guy demanding that the league be ended early and title handed out on all those tv interviews.

 

Edited to add the following from the 3rd of April: He (Bill Clark) added: “The two that are acceptable to us are, one: we just use the positions as they were when football shutdown on March 13 and there is promotion and relegation and no play-offs.

The second one would be some kind of reorganisation, even for a temporary period.”

 “If it could be done, even in an emergency or temporary basis we would certainly support that.”

 

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After overseeing a 4-2 win against Inverness, Peter Hetherston accepted a two year deal to become the new manager of Raith Rovers.



Over 7000 fans packed into Stark’s Park to see Raith hammer Dunfermline 3-0 in the first Fife derby of the new millennium.



‪A Craig Dargo penalty put Rovers in front against Ayr before Steve Tosh sealed the points with a goal from the half way line.‬

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31 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:

The last proposal was permanent?? So perhaps he’s just a bit sneaky. Shame, as he came across as such a good guy demanding that the league be ended early and title handed out on all those tv interviews.

 

Edited to add the following from the 3rd of April: He (Bill Clark) added: “The two that are acceptable to us are, one: we just use the positions as they were when football shutdown on March 13 and there is promotion and relegation and no play-offs.

The second one would be some kind of reorganisation, even for a temporary period.”

 “If it could be done, even in an emergency or temporary basis we would certainly support that.”

 

That was 10 weeks ago though. Since then we've had a steering group set up which collapsed due to lack of interest, the 14-14-14 proposal, the colts proposal and then finally the 14-10-10. All of which have had insufficient interest. 

The whole nonsense of restructuring talks since that steering group was disbanded has been a complete waste of time and resources. 

Maybe if the 14-10-10 had been put to the vote straight away we'd have voted differently.

 

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That was 10 weeks ago though. Since then we've had a steering group set up which collapsed due to lack of interest, the 14-14-14 proposal, the colts proposal and then finally the 14-10-10. All of which have had insufficient interest. 
The whole nonsense of restructuring talks since that steering group was disbanded has been a complete waste of time and resources. 
Maybe if the 14-10-10 had been put to the vote straight away we'd have voted differently.
 

The main reason for it though was he got what he wanted - promotion. Once that was in the bag...
It’s fair enough, the majority voted with self interest. Just seemed a bit of a turnaround in Raith’s case. And there was a suggestion on here that the last proposal wasn’t permanent (when it was).
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21 minutes ago, DanElderRRFC said:

After overseeing a 4-2 win against Inverness, Peter Hetherston accepted a two year deal to become the new manager of Raith Rovers.
 

 


Over 7000 fans packed into Stark’s Park to see Raith hammer Dunfermline 3-0 in the first Fife derby of the new millennium.

 

 

 

 

 



‪A Craig Dargo penalty put Rovers in front against Ayr before Steve Tosh sealed the points with a goal from the half way line.‬

 

 

 

 

As previously noted, our defence was shite that season.

Secondly, that fucking bugler...

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4 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:


The main reason for it though was he got what he wanted - promotion. Once that was in the bag...
It’s fair enough, the majority voted with self interest. Just seemed a bit of a turnaround in Raith’s case. And there was a suggestion on here that the last proposal wasn’t permanent (when it was).

I'd certainly be interested in Clark expounding in his comments in the last interview as to why not now. Suspect a lot of it may come down to fatigue with Budge etc, but wouldn't like to presume our reasons until then.

Still though, not like voting with Hearts wouldve helped anyway.

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25 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:


The main reason for it though was he got what he wanted - promotion. Once that was in the bag...
It’s fair enough, the majority voted with self interest. Just seemed a bit of a turnaround in Raith’s case. And there was a suggestion on here that the last proposal wasn’t permanent (when it was).

Yeah. I doubt we'll be getting anyone on loan from Hearts again anytime soon... 

 

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Was it? Saw that said, but never saw it anywhere in writing.

Can’t find the actual SPFL article but the papers contain quotes from Doncaster “However, the board has judged there is sufficient support for a permanent change to merit this second stage of consultation.”

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.eveningexpress.co.uk/fp/sport/football/scottish-football/spfls-neil-doncaster-says-there-is-enough-support-for-14-10-10-10-reconstruction-model-to-hold-indicative-vote/amp/
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FFP article on the progress of Lewis Vaughan. 

“He’s been working on the injury - how he got it, the position of his body,” McGlynn said.

“We’ve got people who are not employed by the club who are working with Lewis to replicate the movement over and over so that he’s actually used to it.

“There’s a certain movement that he’s been making when he’s got this injury so that’s being worked on, so when he comes back it won’t be strange to him.

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/sport/football/raith-rovers-boss-mcglynn-tips-striker-vaughan-get-back-his-best-2887265

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13 hours ago, Michael W said:

Three Premier League clubs voted against it anyway; the rest of the votes were moot. 

I can't say I really saw the point in a 14 team Premier league unless we were prepared to get rid of the playoff system and either go to a straight two-up-two-down. Otherwise, what is the incentive for clubs in the Championship? Just change for the sake of it. 

I'm also ambivalent to Broara and Kelty, who have brought nothing to the game other than a load of self-indulgent screeching about how unfair everything is whilst ignoring that nine other teams had had their promotion play-off consigned to the gutter. 

Reconstruction might have had a better shot had we not tasked Ann Budge, who had a clear vested interest in it, with leading the charge. Ann Budge then presented an utterly shameless proposal to reconstruct on a temporary basis, that would relegate 6 sides from the Championship in two years' time. This was a clear sop to save Hearts and maintain the Premier League at 12 teams after the disruption had passed, and was a major error - there is no doubt this pissed a lot of people off. 

Budge might well bemoan self-interest, but her own proposals were laced with it; she's a total hypocrite. 

Before you start shouting hypocrite at anyone, look at your own chairman. Now there is a snake.

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7 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Before you start shouting hypocrite at anyone, look at your own chairman. Now there is a snake.

If we'd voted in favour of the proposition would it have stopped Hearts and Thistle bringing legal action against the league and us?

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23 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

Before you start shouting hypocrite at anyone, look at your own chairman. Now there is a snake.

He called for the season to end, which it did. It is fair to say that I thought he came across as opportunist and I wish he'd been less vocal about it. 

He also wasn't tasked with reconstructing the leagues in a fashion that coincidentally suited our club, only to whine when it didn't go through and bemoan the self-interest (whatever way this is to be defined) that prevented Hearts' self-interest in not being relegated from materialising. 

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Seems strange that the league are sitting back and taking this from Hearts, especially when you consider we were threatened with suspension from the league and Jock McStay faced being banned sine die, during the Ferguson fiasco, when neither he nor the club attended a disciplinary hearing.

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14 hours ago, Michael W said:

Budge might well bemoan self-interest, but her own proposals were laced with it; she's a total hypocrite. 

This. The original document for reconstruction used half of its space to tell everyone how important it was for the good of Scottish football that Hearts and their stadium were in the top division. Which may or may not be true but it's not the point and a complete irrelevance. Far too much focus on Hearts and not about whether the principle was unfair or not. It left the distinct impression that it was all about Hearts (which it was of course but there wasn't even an attempt to hide it) and that it would be much harder to make a case for it if it had been another club. It was completely the wrong tact.

Hearts, and especially in their last statement, Partick Thistle, can bemoan and castigate other clubs for voting with self interest all they like but there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that those two clubs and at least most of the clubs who supported them (Stranraer, Inverness, Falkirk, Edinburgh City to name an obvious four) were absolutely voting with self interest too and not a single iota of acknowledgement of that. It's presumably only a crime against humanity to vote with self interest and win the vote!

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Sports lawyer David Winnie reckons Hearts have a chance of overturning their relegation and block our promotion as it was unfair to relegate Hearts after only winning 4 whole games out of 30. The injustice is unbelievable. Hearts and Partick are the new pariahs of Scottish football. Too big to go down...erm f**k Off.

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