McGuigan1978 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I'm prepared to give McGlynn the summer to try and sort it out for next season if we fail in the playoffs but it's comments like that which make me completely question whether he's the right man. Injuries weren't the reason why we lost last Saturday to Stranraer or in January away at Brechin or any other match. As I said before we've regularly played teams with 5 or less subs and with a fraction of our budget so to blame injuries for where we are is completely disingenuous. Of the teams we’ve played who had reduced subs benches, how many were missing players who were as influential to them as Lewis Vaughan and Regan Hendry were to us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 This injury situation is a factor but it's far from the be all and end all as to why we are miles off the pace. Scoring goals and creating chances has not been the issue, we shouldn't need to score 6 goals to win a game. The defence has been an unmitigated disaster all season the right back position has never been addressed and the preferred pairing at centre half Davidson and Benedictus have shipped goals all season. This coupled with a shocking away record and what seems like a lack of bottle to see out games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) As touched on, the away form and our defence contribute to a team that hasn't deserved to win the league. It's all well and good banging on about injuries, but the overwhelming majority of posters on here were astonished when McGlynn came out and said he had no issue of adding a right back. We've dropped too many points at grounds where we've taken a lead, only to squander it. Forfar away, Stranraer away, East Fife, Brechin, Arbroath & Montrose among others. Edited April 23, 2019 by Broken Algorithms 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGuigan1978 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Suggesting we’d have conceded the same amount of goals with Vaughan and Hendry in the side is absolutely wild to be quite honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover1990 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 If we had Vaughan and Hendry all season along with guys like Dingwall it would have certainly been closer that its ended up. McGlynn could have then made some defensive additions in Jan. To a certain extent injuries have forced McG's hand but that doesn't deflect from the poor mentality within large parts of the squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I don't see the point right now in wondering what might've been if x, y and z hadn't happened. We are where we are and perhaps we can at least wait until we're papped out the play-offs for the post-mortem. Injuries are naturally part of that but not the whole picture. I still find these comments from McGlynn very strange. Granted he has come under some heat in the last couple of weeks, no one was really that bothered about drawing with Arbroath and could see we had a crap time of it with injuries. But, why bother reflecting on the season and what could have happened when there is nothing that can be done now? There is absolutely nothing to be gained from tales of woe when we have the play-offs ahead of us. Focus on those, not the past. All we can really do is hope we get a few players back for the play-offs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baillieinleeds Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Suggesting we’d have conceded the same amount of goals with Vaughan and Hendry in the side is absolutely wild to be quite honest. Vaughan and Hendry aren’t defensive players, so it’s crazy to assume we wouldn’t concede goals. We’ve shipped them all season even when they were....erm fit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Excuse the intrusion folks, but over on our Falkirk thread, the autopsy on our woeful season is underway. Ray McKinnon has given us an incredibly turgid brand of football based on being very very defensive. Brechin and DU supporters seem to be of a similar mind, in that he obsessed about not losing, and rarely seemed interested in winning games. The thoughts of RR supporters is the key missing in terms of opinion. How did he come across at Starks, and did he deliver a decent brand of footie? Cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Excuse the intrusion folks, but over on our Falkirk thread, the autopsy on our woeful season is underway. Ray McKinnon has given us an incredibly turgid brand of football based on being very very defensive. Brechin and DU supporters seem to be of a similar mind, in that he obsessed about not losing, and rarely seemed interested in winning games. The thoughts of RR supporters is the key missing in terms of opinion. How did he come across at Starks, and did he deliver a decent brand of footie? Cheers. Came across very well and when he addressed some things in January window we were a very good side. I'm sure we had the best form from the end of the Jan window onwards. My opinion may be clouded by the years of absolute fucking shite that have followed though. Left under a massive cloud due to the way he left for Utd though. Edited April 23, 2019 by CALDERON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Went through the standard Raith cycle of great start, followed by a slump in October to December. However, the following half of the season was as good as anything we've seen in many years. McKinnon addressed the problems in the squad admirably and I can't really remember a more successful transfer window. Not sure about the standard of football, but he got results - something both Dundee Utd and Falkirk fans will be bemoaning. He will forever be remembered as a total snake for the manner in which he left. Edited April 23, 2019 by Michael W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithie Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 For whatever reason I watched Falkirk’s highlights against Morton. And we thought our defending was bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverton End Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Excuse the intrusion folks, but over on our Falkirk thread, the autopsy on our woeful season is underway. Ray McKinnon has given us an incredibly turgid brand of football based on being very very defensive. Brechin and DU supporters seem to be of a similar mind, in that he obsessed about not losing, and rarely seemed interested in winning games. The thoughts of RR supporters is the key missing in terms of opinion. How did he come across at Starks, and did he deliver a decent brand of footie? Cheers. When he was Dundee United manager, The Sons beat his side 1-0, twice at The Rock, season 2016ish. He basically blamed anything, the pitch blah, blah, anything except his shitey team. His meltdown lives long in the memory for Sons fans. Delicious tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.R.FC Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said: Vaughan and Hendry aren’t defensive players, so it’s crazy to assume we wouldn’t concede goals. We’ve shipped them all season even when they were....erm fit That’s not true at all tbh. Attacking players and ones who can control a game and retain possession like Hendry and Vaughan can obviously effect the defensive side of things. We would also be able to implement a totally different shape with them. Some facts regarding us ‘shipping goals all season even when they were fit’ erm...no actually. With Hendry we conceded on average a goal every 82 minutes which is a clear improvement. However, the really interesting comparison is with Vaughan which highlights his obvious impact to us. Without him, we have played (roughly) 2400 minutes, conceding 41 goals. In the 672 minutes he has played we have conceded 5 goals. Meaning the averages are as follows: Without Vaughan - A goal conceded every 58 minutes With Vaughan - A goal conceded every 135 minutes. Actually an even more impressive every 151 minutes if we’re only counting games since JM took over. I’d say that’s fairly conclusive. 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardy Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Basically the clique is correct and John McGlynn is the saviour. Just not this season. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 49 minutes ago, Duncan Freemason said: Excuse the intrusion folks, but over on our Falkirk thread, the autopsy on our woeful season is underway. Ray McKinnon has given us an incredibly turgid brand of football based on being very very defensive. Brechin and DU supporters seem to be of a similar mind, in that he obsessed about not losing, and rarely seemed interested in winning games. The thoughts of RR supporters is the key missing in terms of opinion. How did he come across at Starks, and did he deliver a decent brand of footie? Cheers. His Mk.2 team from January onwards was very much built from the back. We'd started with a fairly lightweight midfield, but after January you'd often see us line up with Toshney and Callachan in midfield with two out of three of Davidson, Benedictus and Barr behind them. Very much a solid unit from middle to back. The probable difference lies in a rare alignment of attacking talent. Hardie came in on loan and was dynamite, Connolly played like he had something to prove, Craigen had his best ever season for scoring goals. So yeah, maybe he hasn't really ever changed, just when he was with us we produced a rare confluence of attakcing players and form to actually make us look good that had little enough to do with his tactics.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 If Falkirk get relegated, then McKinnon is fucked. He's shown he's been snakey on a few occasions now so I'd imagine there's only going to be a few clubs interested for a manager who could walk out during the season. But even then he's not achieved anything from it. Every season he's met expectations but he's never got any club promoted or won leagues. He played attractive football in the final four months, but before that he wasn't anything exceptional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, R.R.FC said: That’s not true at all tbh. Attacking players and ones who can control a game and retain possession like Hendry and Vaughan can obviously effect the defensive side of things. We would also be able to implement a totally different shape with them. Some facts regarding us ‘shipping goals all season even when they were fit’ erm...no actually. With Hendry we conceded on average a goal every 82 minutes which is a clear improvement. However, the really interesting comparison is with Vaughan which highlights his obvious impact to us. Without him, we have played (roughly) 2400 minutes, conceding 41 goals. In the 672 minutes he has played we have conceded 5 goals. Meaning the averages are as follows: Without Vaughan - A goal conceded every 58 minutes With Vaughan - A goal conceded every 135 minutes. Actually an even more impressive every 151 minutes if we’re only counting games since JM took over. I’d say that’s fairly conclusive. That's it settled then. Vaughan is the answer to our right back issues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, Raithie said: For whatever reason I watched Falkirk’s highlights against Morton. And we thought our defending was bad. I watched them yesterday. That second goal was something else.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 That’s not true at all tbh. Attacking players and ones who can control a game and retain possession like Hendry and Vaughan can obviously effect the defensive side of things. We would also be able to implement a totally different shape with them. Some facts regarding us ‘shipping goals all season even when they were fit’ erm...no actually. With Hendry we conceded on average a goal every 82 minutes which is a clear improvement. However, the really interesting comparison is with Vaughan which highlights his obvious impact to us. Without him, we have played (roughly) 2400 minutes, conceding 41 goals. In the 672 minutes he has played we have conceded 5 goals. Meaning the averages are as follows: Without Vaughan - A goal conceded every 58 minutes With Vaughan - A goal conceded every 135 minutes. Actually an even more impressive every 151 minutes if we’re only counting games since JM took over. I’d say that’s fairly conclusive.Ooft. A telling of tellings, that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Brilliant Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Excuse the intrusion folks, but... The thoughts of RR supporters is the key missing in terms of opinion. How did Ray come across at Starks, and did he deliver a decent brand of footie? Cheers.The way I remember it, we actually turned the first hour of games (on our good run towards the end of the season) into pretty horrible spectacles, before making decisive subs in the forward areas and getting results.We were effective as a disruptive, combative force in those first hours of games but fans were on board as we knew we could get results. The idea that it was good football much of time is a revision IMO.McKinnon had great attacking options off the bench as he was really backed in the jan window. 3-3 against The RFC was a highlight, as were home wins v Hibs and others.Snake hoor though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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