The New Raith Rovers Thread

[Enigma]

All working out nicely for his return to KDY in the summer!

[Ro Sham Bo]

Apparently Drysdale has tweeted that we should now understand why the Bates deal was done the way it was. I have to say I'm none the wiser.

 

 

[CALDERON]

[Ro Sham Bo]

I await confirmation of the Ross Callachan to Werder Bremen move with baited breath.

[Michael W]

Presumably Drysdale thinks we'll still be due a development fee. 

Then again, this is the man who, whilst on the SPFL board, didn't know the rules about emergency loans...

[Ro Sham Bo]

Presumably Drysdale thinks we'll still be due a development fee. 
Then again, this is the man who, whilst on the SPFL board, didn't know the rules about emergency loans...

I don't know how development fees are calculated but unless it comes to six figures I still don't see it as a very good deal from our point of view.

[liam_barnett]

In other news there is to be a minute's applause in the 4th minute for Ronnie Coyle on Saturday.

[Wee Sandy]

9 hours ago, Michael W said:

Presumably Drysdale thinks we'll still be due a development fee. 

Then again, this is the man who, whilst on the SPFL board, didn't know the rules about emergency loans...

I think if Drysdale had done ANYTHING with a positive spin regarding Bates et al we would have known a long time ago, he would have been "blawin' aboot it" all over the media.                                            His uncharacteristic silence, in this instance, speaks volumes!!

Edited April 13, 2018 by Wee Sandy

[Scary Bear]

Nope. Still stumped.

[Wee Sandy]

40 minutes ago, Wee Sandy said:

I think if Drysdale had done ANYTHING with a positive spin regarding Bates et al we would have known a long time ago, he would have been "blawin' aboot it" all over the media.                                            His uncharacteristic silence, in this instance, speaks volumes!!

I meant to say, DEAFENING!!

[CALDERON]

Matt Elder tweeting that the financial benefit may be "lucrative"

Drysdale in!!! Plastic pitch in!!!!!

[Raithie]

If you believe the papers then Rangers apparently offered Bates a new deal but couldn't match his wage demands of....wait for it....£7k a week.

[Scary Bear]

2 minutes ago, Raithie said:

If you believe the papers then Rangers apparently offered Bates a new deal but couldn't match his wage demands of....wait for it....£7k a week.

Good skills. Well done to the guy.

Was it McKinnon who gave him his breakthrough? I recall noticing Bates in a diddy cup win at Cowden and thinking he looked a player. 

Did Gary F Locke give him many games?

[Scary Bear]

1 hour ago, CALDERON said:

Matt Elder tweeting that the financial benefit may be "lucrative"

Drysdale in!!! Plastic pitch in!!!!!

This is Rovers we’re talking about. Lucrative is £40k.

[Wee Sandy]

1 hour ago, CALDERON said:

Matt Elder tweeting that the financial benefit may be "lucrative"

Drysdale in!!! Plastic pitch in!!!!!

"may be lucrative"we live in hope!!

Edited April 13, 2018 by Wee Sandy

[Raithie]

If Rangers are to receive a 5 figure sum transfer fee then I can't see whatever we'll get as being 'lucrative' 

[R.R.FC]

According to Matt Elders tweet, it could be lucrative based on Fifa’s training compensation rules not based on any part of the deal that Drysdale negotiated so he has a bit of nerve trying to claim any form of credit.

Yes, the move to Rangers helped him get this one so it has (potentially) worked in our favour in that sense but nobody had a problem with us selling him to Rangers. The issue was basically giving him away for free. Well, worse than free actually, we got Scott Roberts in exchange.

[renton]

In an alternate dimension, we avoided Gary Locke and are riding high in the championship with Bates at the heart of defence, Callachan driving the team forward from midfield and Vaughan up front, we got in first and re-signed Aiden Connolly and Louis Longridge instead of Chris Jonhston and Scott Roberts. Our keepers aren't crap,  and we have enough of them. 

Edited April 13, 2018 by renton

[CALDERON]

17 minutes ago, renton said:

In an alternate dimension, we avoided Gary Locke and are riding high in the championship with Bates at the heart of defence, Callachan driving the team forward from midfield and Vaughan up front, we got in first and re-signed Aiden Connolly and Louis Longridge instead of Chris Jonhston and Scott Roberts. Our keeper isn't crap, we have enough of them. 

Sad thing is much of that was quite achievable.

[Rovers_Lad]

The term “solidarity payments” is commonly used to describe distinct regimes for the distribution of money within the football community, including:

1. Sums payable to clubs involved in a player’s training, upon a player registering for the first time as a professional player, or upon the international transfer of a player before the end of the season of his 23rd birthday, calculated by reference to a specified formula; and,
2. Sums payable to clubs involved in a player’s training and education, upon the international transfer of a player (prior to the expiry of his employment contract), calculated by reference to the amount of the transfer compensation.

This guide focuses on these two regimes, which are governed respectively by Articles 20 and 21, and Annexes 4 and 5, of the FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (“RSTP”).1 It does not address the domestic rules that may apply to the movement of young players between clubs belonging to the same national association: see for example the rules relating to the Elite Player Performance Plan.

Article 20 RSTP is entitled “Training compensation” and provides as follows:

“Training compensation shall be paid to a player’s training club(s): (1) when a player signs his first contract as a professional, and (2) each time a professional is transferred until the end of the season of his 23rd birthday. The obligation to pay training compensation arises whether the transfer takes place during or at the end of the player’s contract. The provisions concerning training compensation are set out in Annexe 4 of these regulations.”

Article 21 RSTP is entitled “Solidarity mechanism” and provides as follows:

“If a professional is transferred before the expiry of his contract, any club that has contributed to his education and training shall receive a proportion of the compensation paid to his former club (solidarity contribution). The provisions concerning solidarity contributions are set out in Annexe 5 of these regulations.”

The principal similarities between the two regimes may be summarised as follows:

1. Pursuant to the RSTP, purely domestic transfers of professional players do not give rise to an entitlement on the part of training club(s) to receive training compensation or a solidarity payment (see the “Scope” definition in Article 1 RSTP);
2. Both training compensation and solidarity payments may need to be distributed amongst several training clubs;
3. The obligation to ensure that the regulations are complied with falls on the ‘new’ club (i.e. the purchasing club, or the club signing a player on his first professional contract);
4. The “Player Passport” (see Article 7 RSTP) will provide assistance to clubs in tracing the sporting history of players and complying with their payment obligations.

The principal differences between the two regimes may be summarised as follows:

1. Training compensation will be payable when a player signs his firstprofessional contract with a club that is different from the club(s) that contributed to his training;
2. By contrast, solidarity payments will only be payable upon the international transfer of a playerwho is already a professional;
3. Training compensation may also be payable when a player is transferred between clubs belonging to different national associations, until the end of the season of his 23rd birthday, whether that transfer takes place during or at the end of the player’s contract, and whether that transfer involves a fee or not;
4. By contrast, solidarity payments will only be payable if a player is transferred for a fee, between clubs belonging to different national associations, prior to the expiry of his employment contract;
5. Furthermore, such transfers (see (iv) above) occurring after the season of a player’s 23rd birthday will continue to engage the solidarity payments regime;
6. The amount of training compensation is calculated by reference to published “training costs” (to which reference is made in Annexe 5, RSTP) and the number of years a player has spent training with a former club(s);
7. By contrast, solidarity payments will be a maximum of 5% of the agreed transfer compensation;
8. A separate set of rules applies to the calculation of training compensation, in circumstances where a player moves from one association to another inside the territory of the EU / EEA;
9. By contrast, the same rules apply to the calculation of solidarity payments, whether a player moves from one EU / EEA country to another or not.