MadMadge Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Yes I was there. Won't be repeating any of it to the idiots on here that couldn't be arsed going. I don't care if I'm suspended from fantalk, AU is an arsehole and I'm not ashamed to say it Neither you nor your alter ego Steakngravy attended this meeting. You’re slavering! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mince Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, MadMadge said: Neither you nor your alter ego Steakngravy attended this meeting. You’re slavering! Maybe he sent his solicitor in his place to take notes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 16/02/2018 at 21:42, CALDERON said: Happy Gregory Tade day folks. Tade got deserved credit for his goal, but among fourteen heroic performers that night, the absolute stand out was Grant Murray. Probably his finest 90 minutes in a navy blue jersey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumswall Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Tade got deserved credit for his goal, but among fourteen heroic performers that night, the absolute stand out was Grant Murray. Probably his finest 90 minutes in a navy blue jersey. Just a shame he was hounded out of starks when we would be happy enough with the job he done the past couple of seasons.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steakngravys Maw Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 On 2/16/2018 at 21:20, Beastie Russell said: Boo, I was going to turn on the charm with his maw, never pumped a Rovers Gilf. You can turn on the charm anytime you want big boy. The more the merrier x I have to confess Steak and Zico are indeed the same person, but to be fair to my wee Steak he does wear his sisters school skirt when he's playing out the part bless him x 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forzamorton Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Evening guys, I'm currently writing my dissertation and, surprise surprise, it's about football. Could you please spare one minute and complete this survey. Thanks. https://s.surveyplanet.com/SJukevuPf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, grumswall said: Just a shame he was hounded out of starks when we would be happy enough with the job he done the past couple of seasons.... He wasnt hounded out of Starks. He had the job for 3 seasons and didn't improve during that time. We were nowhere near the playoffs and went on a couple of dreadful runs too. He had 100% lost the dressing room and it was impossible for him to continue, one look at the results and performances towards the end of that season shows that. The decision to remove him and bring in Mckinnon was absolutely correct and worked. It's the disastrous replacement of Mckinnon and subsequent disasters that make Murray tenure look better than it actually was. Edited February 21, 2018 by CALDERON 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CALDERON said: He wasnt hounded out of Starks. He had the job for 3 seasons and didn't improve during that time. We were nowhere near the playoffs and went on a couple of dreadful runs too. He had 100% lost the dressing room and it was impossible for him to continue, one look at the results and performances towards the end of that season shows that. The decision to remove him and bring in Mckinnon was absolutely correct and worked. It's the disastrous replacement of Mckinnon and subsequent disasters that make Murray tenure look better than it actually was. Not sure hounded is the right word but I think he was definitely the least clear cut sacking of a Rovers manager in many years. Many fans had turned against him but there was still just an argument for giving him more time. In the end it was academic as McKinnon did come in and improve things as you say, so the decision was proved correct. Murray was probably our Berti Vogts. Failed to win over the doubters but did achieve moderate success and his record now looks better given recent calamitous failures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, roverthemoon said: Not sure hounded is the right word but I think he was definitely the least clear cut sacking of a Rovers manager in many years. Many fans had turned against him but there was still just an argument for giving him more time. In the end it was academic as McKinnon did come in and improve things as you say, so the decision was proved correct. Murray was probably our Berti Vogts. Failed to win over the doubters but did achieve moderate success and his record now looks better given recent calamitous failures. There were a few reports that he had totally lost the dressing room also. The cup success he has were the highlight, but if you take the league form it really was not good. The home thrashing at home to Cowden and Livi towards the end sealed his fate really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebanda's Handyman Services Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 14 hours ago, grumswall said: Just a shame he was hounded out of starks when we would be happy enough with the job he done the past couple of seasons.... I like/d Grant Murray. Really nice guy and kept us on a relatively even keel. The ***-skelping was glorious too. I was becoming bored watching his side just getting by though and I think the time was right for him to go. McKinnon's side (after January) reignited my enjoyment of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, roverthemoon said: Not sure hounded is the right word but I think he was definitely the least clear cut sacking of a Rovers manager in many years. Many fans had turned against him but there was still just an argument for giving him more time. In the end it was academic as McKinnon did come in and improve things as you say, so the decision was proved correct. Murray was probably our Berti Vogts. Failed to win over the doubters but did achieve moderate success and his record now looks better given recent calamitous failures. Murray seemed to be a cup specialist. For two out of three seasons his league form was up and down and very mediocre. The other season was a great start followed by a seemingly unstoppable spiral downwards. That middle season I think coloured what was an alright league campaign the year after where we gave ourselves a very outside shot at the playoffs. On the other hand, unlike Locke and Hughes he did just enough to keep us up that middle year. He gave Vaughan and Callachan their first sustained runs in the team and made them first team regulars. Perhaps he deserves criticism for not introducing them earlier, but he was at least smart enough to keep them in there. His teams set up in a very pedestrian manner for the most part, but generally his signings were alright. McKinnon came in and had a good year though I'd argue his mk.1 pre-christmas team was not light years ahead of a typcial Murray side, his mk 2 team post January was an embarrassment of riches. Edited February 21, 2018 by renton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Murray was continuity after the Mcglynn era. After a few years tho it needed a change. Seemed a really nice guy though and he certainly has a place in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, CALDERON said: There were a few reports that he had totally lost the dressing room also. The cup success he has were the highlight, but if you take the league form it really was not good. The home thrashing at home to Cowden and Livi towards the end sealed his fate really. In fairness, they were dead rubber games. The promotion play offs were gone and we weren't going to be bothering the bottom of the table either. Looked to me like he was trying different things to see if any of the guys who'd ended up on the fringe of the team after Cal and Vaughan came in were worth keeping. Like the setup for the Cowden game was a completely weird 3-5-2. He brought Cuthbert back in after his injury and he was atrocious, but at the same time there is no denying that it was worth doing in the long run as the Cuthbert we got back after the summer was much improved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 In the end, I think Murray's greatest sin was his team was boring. Setup largely to grind out wins, but never quite good enough to grind out enough wins to make it worth it from the fan's point of view. I don't think Barry Smith is really that much different from Murray in terms of the way he sets the team up, and you'd be struggling to pick out that many good performances from a team currently in a title challenge, weirdly enough. The difference is that Smith wins more often than not (in a lower league of course). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Grant Murray’s record against full-time teams was appalling. Worth remembering that while he was never in massive danger of relegation, the league generally wasn’t strong - in his first season he had part-time Airdrie, Cowden, Dumbarton and admin Dunfermline. Year two saw part-time Dumbarton, Alloa and Cowden as well as a disastrous Morton side which finished bottom (Dumbarton finished nine points above us). This was the season we were top of the league on Christmas Day and finished above relegation by two points. Year three again had three part-time sides in Dumbarton, Cowden and Alloa. His finishing points tallies were 46, 42, 43. Not exactly showing any signs of any progress after three seasons. Nice guy and of course last season we’d have taken a nice boring 7th place quite happily. But that doesn’t mean it was wrong to get rid. I think the Berti Vogts comparison above is valid. Vogts was the ‘closest’ to taking Scotland to a tournament since 1998, in the sense he was in a play-off and nobody else has been. But that would be to ignore an exceptionally easy group, and that the Smith/McLeish campaign for Euro 2008 just missed automatic qualification in a far tougher group, where a play-off wasn’t available. I would also agree Murray/Smith don’t appear to differ too much in terms of what you see on the park.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.R.FC Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Grant Murray was definitely better than Gary Locke and Hughes but that’s hardly any sort of praise! I think he would have taken us down eventually , there was no improvement year to year and the football was generally very poor. It wasn’t just the defeats it was the manner of them. I remember taking a lot of hidings in his time. We conceded 4 or more goals 12 times in his last year and a half! A lot of those at home. If we had appointed a competent successor to McKinnon I don’t think many would be feeling Murray was hard done by. Great player and a nice guy though. Despite his less than impressive managerial reign I’d like to think he’d get the great reception he deserves if he ever came back to do the half time draw. Someone mentioned his performance at Aberdeen being his best in a Rovers shirt, I agree he was outstanding but I think his performance in the next round at Dens was even better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Murray's goal against the Pars was a highlight for me. His managerial record has been covered by others above. His record looks fine in hindsight but we were in a league that effectively had two 'bonus' part-time sides in it with The Rangers and the Pars being in the leagues below at that time. He seemed to be able to attract decent players to the club but then never quite get the best out of them and I reckon he'd have quite probably relegated us if he'd stayed another season. I also see the parallels between him and Smith and I do worry about how we'll get on next season under Smith if we manage to get promoted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 On 21/02/2018 at 13:37, Ro Sham Bo said: Murray's goal against the Pars was a highlight for me. His managerial record has been covered by others above. His record looks fine in hindsight but we were in a league that effectively had two 'bonus' part-time sides in it with The Rangers and the Pars being in the leagues below at that time. He seemed to be able to attract decent players to the club but then never quite get the best out of them and I reckon he'd have quite probably relegated us if he'd stayed another season. I also see the parallels between him and Smith and I do worry about how we'll get on next season under Smith if we manage to get promoted. If we did manage to hold off Ayr or even squeak through the play-offs then I think there are a lot of our players who couldn’t cut it in the Championship. Barr, Buchanan, Spence and sadly a Jason Thomson rapidly losing pace. Only players I’d be completely confident of would be Vaughan, Benedictus and Davidson if they were still here . All irrelevant if we don’t manage to get out of this league mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers1992/1993 Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 If we did manage to hold off Ayr or even squeak through the play-offs then I think there are a lot of our players who couldn’t cut it in the Championship. Barr, Buchanan, Spence and sadly a Jason Thomson rapidly losing pace. Only players I’d be completely confident of would be Vaughan, Benedictus and Davidson if they were still here . All irrelevant if we don’t manage to get out of this league mind. I agree, but I would also add Furtado in to the mix there as well. I reckon he’d cope with the championship without much hassle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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