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Well if they do change this rule - it will open up a whole crock of shit for Scottish Fitba, more clubs will be seduced by the "dream" of being 3rd in the SPL knowing full well when it all goes Ken Tong, they won't have to stump up a penny. To the likes of MCL - what about those Livi FC staff who were made redundant - are they geting their jobs back - cnuts like you make me sick.

Go on Angelo - burn Almondvale down !

Not really as no one would be stupid enough to lend or allow big contracts without seeing some money first but that can't be changed. It would be madness.

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Just been on radio scotland Livi have to get 75% of the votes for to get the rule change.

Airdrie will not be happy Cowden will not be happy so that could be 2 lost votes for starters so its not all over yet.

edit because a was burning ma tea. :(

Can't remember who it was that was speaking on the radio but he did say he had spoken to a few chairmen and they were fed up and pissed off with the whole Livi thing. Airdrie,Cowdenbeath and Clyde were teams that were mentioned for likely to vote against. he said that the matter was not finished with as Livi will get some sort of sanction. no point fining them they have no money likely to get a points deduction.

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Truly unbelievable. In no way did I imagine Livi still being in business tonight.

To the likes of Phantoms Livi Lass, Edinburgh Livi and Jimbo, I am pleased for you. You have fronted up on here and contributed to the debate and acknowledged the shambles Livingston were in. I am sure you are all relieved.

BUT there is no denying this decision is an absolute scandal and shows that deals had been done behind the scenes. This decision proves there was no way Livingston were going to be allowed to die.

I don't know if these questions can be answered but clarification would be welcomed:

Did McGruther at any point yesterday "officially" begin liquidation proceedings? Livi were dead from that moment.

Will Livi's creditors, mainly the taxman, be paid what they are due? I am not including the council in this as they have been part of this banana republic type of deal.

How are McDougall and Rankine able to takeover the club, completely bypassing Massone? What will McGruther's role be in all of this?

Will they be deducted points and have a signing ban imposed on them?

Watching Brown McMaster on the telly was cringeworthy. He looked like a man who just wanted this whole issue to go away. And then we had the smarmy Rankine in his spotty tie telling us he was the person who knew Massone most and that "all he wants is to walk away with dignity".

What a disgrace. This decision is wrong on so many levels and basically Livi will be allowed to take thousands of pounds out of the game this season, with it being highly likely that a lot of it will be used to chase Massone.

By wanting to hold a meeting to change rule 21.7, the clubs now have a golden chance to give themselves the green light to rack up debt and bail out when it is time to pay. Given that self-interest normally prevails, they will all vote yes to this rule change.

Whatever decision the SFL made wasn't going to be 100% to everyone's liking but to give Livi the chance to keep trading while over £1m in debt as a first division club is a joke. As was the so-called deadlines - so much for "this is the end".

I can't believe the SFL think this is the right decision. It defies belief and logic but I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.

As someone said earlier, if clubs are going to go bust, make sure it happens a week before the start of the league season and make sure your chairman starts acting like a lunatic with no comprehension of the law and the rules.

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A zero point deduction wouldn't surprise me given the highly-lax way they've dealt with Livi just there.

Have they really? Yeah, there has been a bit of a circus over the past 6 months (or is that the past 3 - 4 years) but, at this point, Livi haven't tried to avoid paying their debts and have promised to fulfill their football commitments for the next season.

Hopefully the SFL have demanded concrete financial evidence that Rankine and the other fella have the resources to keep these promises and, while I think they would be perfectly entitled to hammer them should they renege on these promises, it'd be a bit premature to punish them just now.

I also think the SFL should bring in fixed penalties for financial irregularities e.g. 30 point deduction applicable within the current season should a club fail to pay 100% of its debts upon leaving administration and explusion from the league following full insolvency.

Unfortuanately, if the latest reports are anything to go by, they seem to be looking to create a loophole.

Stuart

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Absolute fuckin joke...

Clyde over the summer made 13 players redundant, released the rest of the out of contract players, and have had to employ a bunch of last chance saloon players on £20 p/w to play for us so we can pay off a shitload of money on stadium debt.

We'll suffer in the 2nd division for that exact reason and will keep us down for a while. Whilst those cheating c***s can spunk money all over the shop, not pay fuckin bills, and then get a wee scare and slap on the wrist by the SFL.

Fuckin joke. If those c***s continue Full Time and in the 1st division, then it's a complete fuckin joke.

f**k Livi and f**k the SFL. Shower of c***s the lot of them!

I've limited sympathy for Clyde given that we suffered as they contiunually outspent us on wages. For all that, I agree with you here.

Clyde (finally) have taken the correct action to reduce their outgoings and get the club on an even keel again. They, and their fans, will have to endure a good few barren years as a result, possibly leading to another relegation.

In future, all you have to do is spend well beyond your means then transfer control of the club to a shell company with no obvious links to the incumbent regime.

FFS.

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Not really as no one would be stupid enough to lend or allow big contracts without seeing some money first but that can't be changed. It would be madness.

Its sad to say but some poor unfortunate will be scammed into supplying them with goods and services without an upfront payment. However, this seems to be a common practice in the world of business - winding up companies with loads of debt and turning up in a different guise six months later. What these people don't realise is that without the goodwill and support from a local community, most clubs will find things even tougher- shame on clubs like Montrose, Albion Rovers, Cowdenbeath, Raith Rovers, East Fife and the rest but once again Livi walk away smelling of roses.

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Just been on radio scotland Livi have to get 75% of the votes for to get the rule change.

Airdrie will not be happy Cowden will not be happy so that could be 2 lost votes for starters so its not all over yet.

Hopefully the clubs will see sense and veto it.

Have they really? Yeah, there has been a bit of a circus over the past 6 months (or is that the past 3 - 4 years) but, at this point, Livi haven't tried to avoid paying their debts and have promised to fulfill their football commitments for the next season.

Hopefully the SFL have demanded concrete financial evidence that Rankine and the other fella have the resources to keep these promises and, while I think they would be perfectly entitled to hammer them should they renege on these promises, it'd be a bit premature to punish them just now.

I also think the SFL should bring in fixed penalties for financial irregularities e.g. 30 point deduction applicable within the current season should a club fail to pay 100% of its debts upon leaving administration and explusion from the league following full insolvency.

Unfortuanately, if the latest reports are anything to go by, they seem to be looking to create a loophole.

Stuart

The club are insolvent and deadlines were given. These deadlines have now passed. The club should be being wound up as we speak.

I'd also agree that greater financial control is required, although this isn't the time to discuss them.

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So to continue this never ending argument, do you have proof that members of the SFL didn't encourage Jim Ballantyne to follow this course of action?

No more than anyone has proof the earth is fucking flat, you halfwit! <_<

What are you, Luna "Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean it isn't true!" Lovegood?

So once again, we shall ask the question, if Ballantyne was encouraged by the SFL as alleged to devour Clydebank, why did they approach UEFA and then subsequently change the rules to prevent it happening again?

Airdrie's debt was serviceable. It's only when the directors walked away and the accountants took over that it spiralled.

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I highly doubt that 22 out of 29 teams will vote for this.

Well, the S.F.L. will have to take swift and decisive action then!

Another 'rule change' eliminating voting should ensure Livingston continue as normal.

August 8th will see them lining up ready for the new First Division season with no points penalty and a large ticker in the boardroom that counts down the seconds until they can wave the administrators off and start the spending again.

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Ten points would be a disgrace. I would hope for nothing less than twenty points, possibly thirty. In fact, I can't believe they haven't been relegated to the third division. I hope the SFL suffers somehow for this scandalous decision.

Do those grapes taste sour ? :lol:

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Just been on radio scotland Livi have to get 75% of the votes for to get the rule change.

I would be surprised on a rule change on the percentage of votes needed down to, say, 1%?

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Well if they do change this rule - it will open up a whole crock of shit for Scottish Fitba, more clubs will be seduced by the "dream" of being 3rd in the SPL knowing full well when it all goes Ken Tong, they won't have to stump up a penny. To the likes of MCL - what about those Livi FC staff who were made redundant - are they geting their jobs back - cnuts like you make me sick.

Go on Angelo - burn Almondvale down !

I believe the staff made redundant may get their jobs back but I'm not the one making that decision.

Cowdenbeath - the 4th force in Fife :lol:

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What in the name of suffering f**k is that?

The use of the word "any" would suggest that the SFL are going to take no action whatsoever. 15 points or whatever Hamilton were fined for non-payment of wages should be the absolute least that Livingston escape with.

If Livingston finish ahead of ANY club this coming season, I hope to f'ck that the relegated club(s) consider legal action. This is unreal.

Was the fine not for failing to fulfil their fixtures? That of course came as a result of non-payment of wages, but I thought the actual reason for the deduction was the players going on strike and refusing to play one game.

Anyway, this is an absolute disgrace. They'll f**k the creditors over again, and go back to their old ways.

I have no desire to see fans lose their football club, but this absolutely scandulous and Livingston shouldn't be getting away with it any more.

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Do those grapes taste sour ? :lol:

You don't think it's a scandal that an insolvent club is given different and preferential treatment to at least two clubs which no longer exist? You don't think it's at the very least distasteful that a club is able to generate millions of debt, be unable to function and yet still maintain its status? You don't think the SFL making things up and having no set punishment for corrupt football clubs is slightly problematic?

Sour grapes? No. Utter contempt for Livingston and the SFL? Absolutely.

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Why are the SFL so intent on keeping a shitty football team in a shitty little town alive?

Because that "shitty little town" has over 50 000 people and growing - more than Arbroath (who also manage to sustain two Junior sides as well as a Senior), Brechin and Montrose combined - and so has at least plenty of potential for a decent football club to be in place.

Why do you think they did their best to get the likes of Clyde out to either East Kilbride or Cumbernauld at the first opportunity? It's bad enough that Scotland's sixth largest town (EK) has no league representation without the eighth largest rejoining the vacant ranks as well.

Furthermore, in the current economic climate, they've probably decided that it's best to give Livingston a chance rather than the risk of Airdrie and Cowdenbeath having to completely rethink their season ahead and the already cash-strapped clubs in Division 3 facing the prospect of a month's worth of "fallow" weeks.

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Why are the SFL so intent on keeping a shitty football team in a shitty little town alive?

Because it's easy and cheap to get to with good transport links and their wives can go shopping fairly cheaply in the nearby shopping centre ? :lol:

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