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[LIVIFOREVER 3,039]

Good first game back by Mullin, already seeing a difference from him taking our corner kicks, put one on big Lars napper for his goal too.

[EdinburghLivi 763]

De Vita to Edinburgh City for the rest of the season. Shame he likely won't play another game for us.

[ATLIS 1,559]

1 hour ago, EdinburghLivi said:

De Vita to Edinburgh City for the rest of the season. Shame he likely won't play another game for us.

Shame too, isn't he one year away from his testimonial after his contract is up?

[Troy.1995 78]

Yeh,really hope hes still around.He deserves a testimonial imo for all hes done at the club.Great guy of the park as well.Dig in at City Rafa and come back to us fit and healthy.🦁

[LIVIFOREVER 3,039]

6 hours ago, EdinburghLivi said:

De Vita to Edinburgh City for the rest of the season. Shame he likely won't play another game for us.

Hope he helps get them promoted, they looked a tidy team that could've given us a scare but for Stryjek's goal keeping.

[BendtnerBairn 748]

Interview with Charlie Telfer lads x 

https://www.stonewallermag.co.uk/post/charlie-telfer-back-to-the-future

[Guest Rscot]

After watching the team yesterday, and I thought we played well, with the new boys settling in nicely. I was wondering if the management had considered that we could perhaps hold/retain and dominate possession better if we switched to a straight 4-3-3, something like

                          McCrorie/Stryjek

Devlin    Ambrose   Guthrie   Serrano

     Holt     Bartley    Sibbald

Mullin       Jet       Forest 

I personally would like to see us try this formation, perhaps in the next BetFred cup games

                   

Edited October 11, 2020 by Rscot

[ATLIS 1,559]

Just now, Rscot said:

After watching the team yesterday, and I thought we played well, with the new boys settling nicely. I was wondering if the management had considered that we could perhaps hold/retain and dominate possession better if we switched to a straight 4-3-3, something like

                          McCrorie/Stryjek

Devlin    Ambrose   Guthrie   Serrano

     Holt     Bartley    Sibbald

Mullin       Jet       Forest 

I personally would like to see us try this formation, perhaps in the next BetFred cup games

                   

There's no way we drop Pittman, I'd have him in over Sibbald in behind Jet

[Guest Rscot]

1 minute ago, ATLIS said:

There's no way we drop Pittman, I'd have him in over Sibbald in behind Jet

Any player can be dropped for the good of the team. I thought there were times yesterday when  Pittman and Jet were quite often in the same space. Anyway it’s something I’d like to see, I think it would allow us to be more dominant in midfield without losing any offensive capability 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Rscot

[LIVIFOREVER 3,039]

17 minutes ago, ATLIS said:

There's no way we drop Pittman, I'd have him in over Sibbald in behind Jet

Aye in a 4-2-3-1, with JET up front and Mullin-Pitts-Forrest in the mid 3. We aint going to change a winning formation.

Thought big JET and Mullin were excellent in their cup game(s), both look brilliant signings that will improve the team and push us up a position or two. Mullin's deliveries alone improve us from set pieces, and we'll score goals from them, JET gives us the physical presence again, wins everything in the air, plus is good with the ball at his feet, holds off defenders and plays in players, think he'll score and set up goals. So many attributes in the one player. 

 

Looking forward to the Killie game, if we can win that one we'll move up to 5th, gonna be tough but it's def doable with our new signings improving our chances.

Edited October 11, 2020 by LIVIFOREVER

[Guest Rscot]

7 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Aye in a 4-2-3-1, with JET up front and Mullin-Pitts_Forrest in the mid 3. We aint going to change a winning formation.

Thought big JET and Mullin were excellent in their cup game(s), both look brilliant signings that will improve the team and push us up a position or two. Mullins deliveries alone improve us from set pieces, and we'll score goals from them, JET gives us the physical presence again, wins everything in the air, plus is good with the ball at his feet, holds off defenders and plays in players, think he'll score and set up goals. So many attributes in the one player. 

 

Looking forward to the Killie game, if we can win that one we'll move up to 5th, gonna be tough but it's def doable with our new signings improving our chances.

Don’t you think we look susceptible to the counter at times yesterday because we had Bartley and Sibbald to cover the whole midfield? I think with Holt in beside Sibbald and Bartley we’d be a lot more solid in the middle of the park and still dangerous up front with Jet, Forrest, Mullin. I’d like to see Pitt’s played wide right or left at some point too, I think he’d do a good job on either side of Jet. Competition for places is good. 
I think playing 4-3-3 would allow us to sit in the opposition half, dominate possession, be able to defend counters from our midfield, and it would give Jet and the other 2 up top the space to operate without getting in each other’s way

Edited October 11, 2020 by Rscot

[Cptn Hooch 511]

Don’t you think we look susceptible to the counter at times yesterday because we had Bartley and Sibbald to cover the whole midfield? I think with Holt in beside Sibbald and Bartley we’d be a lot more solid in the middle of the park and still dangerous up front with Jet, Forrest, Mullin. I’d like to see Pitt’s played wide right or left at some point too, I think he’d do a good job on either side of Jet. Competition for places is good. 
I think playing 4-3-3 would allow us to sit in the opposition half, dominate possession, be able to defend counters from our midfield, and it would give Jet and the other 2 up top the space to operate without getting in each other’s way

Anytime we've played Holt and Bartley together at the holding 2 we've looked a lot more solid defensively. Sibbald is a creative player rather than that midfield general and that's why I think his playing time is being limited since we signed Holt. With Mullin, Forrest and Pittman behind Jet I don't see as much need for Sibbalds forward thinking play as much. Holt and Bartley alternate really well as to who drops and when with one of them often dropping into defence to collect the ball from the keeper, giving us an out ball as well as natural defensive cover.

[LIVIFOREVER 3,039]

Don't think they do get in each others way. It was JET's first game, he'll soon get to know how everyone plays and fit into the system, did well in his debut though. No danger Pitts is getting dropped, he's an engine in midfield, both defensively and attack, and will feed off Mullin's crosses along the 6 yard line. There wont be many teams in the Premiership we'll dominate either, no matter what formation we use, Mullin and Tiffoney showed a quick counter attack for our 2nd goal against City, it's good to see us doing that again, we've a lot of options in the squad. I'd actually like us to go 2 up front in some games where we can, seeing how Tiffs and JET do as a pairing.

[Guest Rscot]

3 minutes ago, Cptn Hooch said:

15 minutes ago, Rscot said:

Don’t you think we look susceptible to the counter at times yesterday because we had Bartley and Sibbald to cover the whole midfield? I think with Holt in beside Sibbald and Bartley we’d be a lot more solid in the middle of the park and still dangerous up front with Jet, Forrest, Mullin. I’d like to see Pitt’s played wide right or left at some point too, I think he’d do a good job on either side of Jet. Competition for places is good. 
I think playing 4-3-3 would allow us to sit in the opposition half, dominate possession, be able to defend counters from our midfield, and it would give Jet and the other 2 up top the space to operate without getting in each other’s way

Anytime we've played Holt and Bartley together at the holding 2 we've looked a lot more solid defensively. Sibbald is a creative player rather than that midfield general and that's why I think his playing time is being limited since we signed Holt. With Mullin, Forrest and Pittman behind Jet I don't see as much need for Sibbalds forward thinking play as much. Holt and Bartley alternate really well as to who drops and when with one of them often dropping into defence to collect the ball from the keeper, giving us an out ball as well as natural defensive cover.

Sibbald played well yesterday, glad to see him back in the mix, and he covered a lot of ground. What I’m saying is, to an extent it doesn’t matter who is in there, Sibbald, Bartley or Holt, Bartley. It’s a lot of space for two midfielders to cover. And when we lose possession in and around the opposition 18 yard box, we look susceptible to the counter because of it. We switch to a 4-3-3 and it would give us the ability to sit in the opposition halve for longer periods of time without looking so easy to counter. I’d like to see us try it. We’ve got good enough players that I believe we can be dominating other teams in the league, dominating possession, spending the majority of time in the opposition halve, and I think 4-3-3 with Bartley, Sibbald and Holt is the way to do it.

[Cptn Hooch 511]

Sibbald played well yesterday, glad to see him back in the mix, and he covered a lot of ground. What I’m saying is, to an extent it doesn’t matter who is in there, Sibbald, Bartley or Holt, Bartley. It’s a lot of space for two midfielders to cover. And when we lose possession in and around the opposition 18 yard box, we look susceptible to the counter because of it. We switch to a 4-3-3 and it would give us the ability to sit in the opposition halve for longer periods of time without looking so easy to counter. I’d like to see us try it. We’ve got good enough players that I believe we can be dominating other teams in the league, dominating possession, spending the majority of time in the opposition halve, and I think 4-3-3 with Bartley, Sibbald and Holt is the way to do it.

If you were playing the 4-3-3 I'd have Pittman ahead of sibbald in the 3. He's not a wide player as he's at his best bursting forward late into the box. I'd also have Mullin, Forrest and even Tiffoney ahead of sibbald on either flank as Sibbald lacks the pace for a wide player IMO. Playing the 4-2-3-1 I'd have Holt and Bartley ahead of Sibbald in the midfield. Sibbald is a great player and a fantastic option for rotating but hes more attack focused. I'd like to see him in the Pittman role behind the striker when Pitts was going through his dip in form but now that Pitts is back to his usual self I think sibbs will need to get used to reduced playing time.

[Guest Rscot]

6 minutes ago, Cptn Hooch said:

15 minutes ago, Rscot said:

Sibbald played well yesterday, glad to see him back in the mix, and he covered a lot of ground. What I’m saying is, to an extent it doesn’t matter who is in there, Sibbald, Bartley or Holt, Bartley. It’s a lot of space for two midfielders to cover. And when we lose possession in and around the opposition 18 yard box, we look susceptible to the counter because of it. We switch to a 4-3-3 and it would give us the ability to sit in the opposition halve for longer periods of time without looking so easy to counter. I’d like to see us try it. We’ve got good enough players that I believe we can be dominating other teams in the league, dominating possession, spending the majority of time in the opposition halve, and I think 4-3-3 with Bartley, Sibbald and Holt is the way to do it.

If you were playing the 4-3-3 I'd have Pittman ahead of sibbald in the 3. He's not a wide player as he's at his best bursting forward late into the box. I'd also have Mullin, Forrest and even Tiffoney ahead of sibbald on either flank as Sibbald lacks the pace for a wide player IMO. Playing the 4-2-3-1 I'd have Holt and Bartley ahead of Sibbald in the midfield. Sibbald is a great player and a fantastic option for rotating but hes more attack focused. I'd like to see him in the Pittman role behind the striker when Pitts was going through his dip in form but now that Pitts is back to his usual self I think sibbs will need to get used to reduced playing time.

We’re getting width from our full backs, we don’t really play with wingers in a 4-2-3-1 and that wouldn’t change with a 4-3-3. Pitt’s is good at late runs into the box, but if you notice with Jet, he doesn’t always release the ball quickly, he has the ability to turn a defender, it makes a lot of Pitt’s runs obsolete. Pitt’s has the ability, technique, IQ and vision to be good on the left or right of Jet in a 4-3-3. And If we are looking for late runners into the box, Holt and occasionally Sibbald would fill that role nicely in my midfield 3

Edited October 11, 2020 by Rscot

[LiviLion 2,767]

38 minutes ago, Rscot said:

I’d like to see Pitt’s played wide right or left at some point too

But... why? That kind of thinking was pretty much why we ended up with Jordan White on the wing many moons ago. Or Efe at LWB.

He's an excellent attacking mid, no need to stick him out of position when we already have better players in those positions.

Edited October 11, 2020 by LiviLion

[Guest Rscot]

2 minutes ago, LiviLion said:

But... why? That form of thinking was pretty much why we ended up with Jordan White on the wing many moons ago. Or Efe at LWB.

He's an excellent attacking mid, no need to stick him out of position when we already have better players in those positions.

Because I think a 4-3-3 is the better formation for the players we have in the squad. And I think Pitt’s is good enough to compete with Forrest or Mullins either side of Jet. I admit  “wide” perhaps isn’t the best description of the position, we get width from the full backs. But in and around the 18 yard box either side of Jet, Pitt’s would be good. The fact that we play with high full backs is another reason why we need to play 4-3-3, to stop us being so susceptible to the counter.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Rscot

[LiviLion 2,767]

4 minutes ago, Rscot said:

Because I think a 4-3-3 is the better formation for the players we have in the squad. And I think Pitt’s is good enough to compete with Forrest or Mullins either side of Jet

But if we're playing a 4-3-3 surely you play Pittman as one of the midfield 3 and actually play wingers on the wing?

[Cptn Hooch 511]

But... why? That kind of thinking was pretty much why we ended up with Jordan White on the wing many moons ago. Or Efe at LWB.
He's an excellent attacking mid, no need to stick him out of position when we already have better players in those positions.

This!!! We tried to shoehorn players into the team at the start of the season and it was disastrous. We have a big squad that I assume is to allow us to deal with potential covid call offs etc...there will be plenty of rotation.