RedLichtie86 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 2004, 2009, 2014. Might as well pencil admin 4.0 in for sometime in 2019. Wouldnt pencil them in just yet. Another admin and they should just be dissolved. Once is bad enough, twice is shocking, three times would just be taking the piss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Must be about time duncan popped his head in. He must be tied up in a bondage session or he'd have been here by now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoudaBetsy Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Tbh, would be good if both Rankine & Nixon fucked off. If we did go bust, I'd want a reform - fan-owned in the lowland league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Cheers to SD and Yoss. Few followups: even though the company would be tax liable even if the individual had paid bonuses themselves and not told anyone, I'm presuming the not telling anyone bit is (at best) a bit naughty? I mean you could be racking-up a tax liability for the firm in a way which wasn't apparent to anyone else involved. Also, to return to my (evidently flawed) bakery analogy - although I didn't make this clear I was meaning a situation where the oven-men know in advance that I would give them some kind of predetermined bonus [or as you say it may still be a tip] if they made a certain quality of cake. Not that I could eat the cake and then decide of my own generosity to give them some bonus/tip or otherwise. In football I imagine that players normally know that they'll get X bonus for Y performance, rather than bonuses being wholly discretionary (in terms of whether they get paid at all and what gets paid). And you certainly hear of cases in non-league football of sponsoring businesses offering £X per goal, there was even a Highland League club where the top scorer was to receive a free car, IIRC. But from what you're saying - I imagine the difference still hinges on whether or not the person paying the bonus is formally involved with the bakery/club? Finally, to move away from bakery analogies and into football... I take it that arrangements made with players for bonuses would require to be lodged with the SFA and SPFL in the same way that the contracts and so forth are? I remember during the discussions about Rangers use of image rights payments and EBTs that they disputed whether these were payments for football, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron Vlaar Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Tbh, would be good if both Rankine & Nixon fucked off. If we did go bust, I'd want a reform - fan-owned in the lowland league. Why would we go bust? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munich95 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 So livingston council own the stadium and area surrounding it? If so what are they doing to help the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Pies Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Hopefully not wasting tax payers money! Pull the fucking plug! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Cheers to SD and Yoss. Few followups: even though the company would be tax liable even if the individual had paid bonuses themselves and not told anyone, I'm presuming the not telling anyone bit is (at best) a bit naughty? I mean you could be racking-up a tax liability for the firm in a way which wasn't apparent to anyone else involved. Also, to return to my (evidently flawed) bakery analogy - although I didn't make this clear I was meaning a situation where the oven-men know in advance that I would give them some kind of predetermined bonus [or as you say it may still be a tip] if they made a certain quality of cake. Not that I could eat the cake and then decide of my own generosity to give them some bonus/tip or otherwise. In football I imagine that players normally know that they'll get X bonus for Y performance, rather than bonuses being wholly discretionary (in terms of whether they get paid at all and what gets paid). And you certainly hear of cases in non-league football of sponsoring businesses offering £X per goal, there was even a Highland League club where the top scorer was to receive a free car, IIRC. But from what you're saying - I imagine the difference still hinges on whether or not the person paying the bonus is formally involved with the bakery/club? Finally, to move away from bakery analogies and into football... I take it that arrangements made with players for bonuses would require to be lodged with the SFA and SPFL in the same way that the contracts and so forth are? I remember during the discussions about Rangers use of image rights payments and EBTs that they disputed whether these were payments for football, of course. You'd get on well with BoredomGuy, the famous Saintees poster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 So livingston council own the stadium and area surrounding it? If so what are they doing to help the club? Letting them play in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy85 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Cheats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasps1 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 They should get 15 off them now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorado Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/news/news_20140812_1.php 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozam76 Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Sigh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/news/news_20140812_1.php If you believe an ocean going ¢unt like Rankine didn't know what was going on your heid must button up the back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCL Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I was thinking before I read that statement that he could have been paying cash bonuses out of his own pocket and putting them through his Director's loan account. It looks like that has been happening but unfortunately for Nixon the people who received the money are now denying it. As there is no paperwork it has given Rankine the opportunity to put the boot in and get his excuses in first. I'm sure this letter to the authorities has happened first and when Nixon got wind of it he's got his own back by alerting the SFA to the fact Livi missed Rankine from the paperwork about having interests in the other clubs. The fact that Nixon was the one who should have included him in the paperwork just makes it worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Also, to return to my (evidently flawed) bakery analogy - although I didn't make this clear I was meaning a situation where the oven-men know in advance that I would give them some kind of predetermined bonus [or as you say it may still be a tip] if they made a certain quality of cake. Not that I could eat the cake and then decide of my own generosity to give them some bonus/tip or otherwise. In football I imagine that players normally know that they'll get X bonus for Y performance, rather than bonuses being wholly discretionary (in terms of whether they get paid at all and what gets paid). And you certainly hear of cases in non-league football of sponsoring businesses offering £X per goal, there was even a Highland League club where the top scorer was to receive a free car, IIRC. But from what you're saying - I imagine the difference still hinges on whether or not the person paying the bonus is formally involved with the bakery/club? Regardless of whether or not you might have promised / agreed a level of tip beforehand (which is not that unusual a scenario), it's still a tip, and doesn't represent any kind of contract. (It would of course be different if it involved any kind of collusion with the employer to pay that instead of normal wages. I don't think any such involvement would even need to be formal, informal would also do it.) If you're envisaging some kind of bizarre situation where an employee effectively had employment contracts with two different people, for carrying out exactly the same duties, that one employer was somehow entirely ignorant of, and yet which involved absolutely no relationship between the two 'employers', then that sounds like such a curious and artificial scenario that I can't think of having come across it or having seen it catered for in legislation. I can't think that that would represent a legal contract. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/news/news_20140812_1.php So Livi have just discovered that Nixon might not have been the very model of financial probity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I was thinking before I read that statement that he could have been paying cash bonuses out of his own pocket and putting them through his Director's loan account. It looks like that has been happening but unfortunately for Nixon the people who received the money are now denying it. As there is no paperwork it has given Rankine the opportunity to put the boot in and get his excuses in first. I'm sure this letter to the authorities has happened first and when Nixon got wind of it he's got his own back by alerting the SFA to the fact Livi missed Rankine from the paperwork about having interests in the other clubs. The fact that Nixon was the one who should have included him in the paperwork just makes it worse. I think the two of them should fight it out with black puddings ecky thump style. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graeme_p Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 So Livi knew about these payments a long time ago. Given that they were hopfull that they could have been "RESOLVED during the JULY court action". They have deliberately waited until AFTER they have assembled a decent squad KNOWING that they would make a decleration which would result in a transfer ban which would have no impact. CHEATS! -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghLivi Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Or after the court date as actually stated. As I say, what would have stopped us from just sitting on this information until the courtcase began? Declaring tax unpaid, and a relatively small amount at that is hardly cheating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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