djn Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Presumably Cowden and Airdrie will be able to appeal against the decision if they don't like it (as innocent parties in this affair)? And then re-appeal again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Presumably Cowden and Airdrie will be able to appeal against the decision if they don't like it (as innocent parties in this affair)?And then re-appeal again? That would be fun! I haven't a clue though, one of P&B's walking SFL rulebooks may have the answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djn Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 That would be fun! I haven't a clue though, one of P&B's walking SFL rulebooks may have the answer. Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the First Division... Hibbee Jibbee will know the answer - he knows all the answers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 It's not really good enough for the judge to just not turn up is it? Fair enough he has his priorities but he should still turn up for the appeal which he was allocated to do. You mean like Livvy turning up to play the Shire? That sort of thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberdeen Cowden Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Presumably Cowden and Airdrie will be able to appeal against the decision if they don't like it (as innocent parties in this affair)?And then re-appeal again? Somehow don't think that will be required - Livi will be lucky if they can play in a junior league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Somehow don't think that will be required - Livi will be lucky if they can play in a junior league. What do you mean by that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Anyone heard anything yet??? This is driving me round the bend! I'm glued to this forum & LL & still nothing! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 With Queens having dropped points to Airdrie this season, I'm all for Livi to be immediately reinstated to the 1st Division. Mon the Livi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 With Queens having dropped points to Airdrie this season, I'm all for Livi to be immediately reinstated to the 1st Division. Mon the Livi. Self interest? You'll never catch a Livi fan doing that! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Self interest? You'll never catch a Livi fan doing that! I jest of course However, you cannae beat the fickle football fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I jest of courseHowever, you cannae beat the fickle football fan. Is that aimed at me because I'm a (sweary word) turncoat? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 (edited) Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the First Division... Hibbee Jibbee will know the answer - he knows all the answers well no, to be exact I'm sad enough to go and consult the rulebook while everyone else just postulates . Cowdenbeath and Airdrie don't have any individual right to appeal Livi being put back into Div 1, as their "promotion" was entirely co-incidental to the punishment of Livi due to breaching rules on insolvency practitionership. However, they could bring a vote to the SFL MC (or even call a SGM) to get the SFL to re-appeal or challenge the SFA tribunal decision... In the highly unlikely event SFA tribunal upholds Livi's appeal in full today, I'd expect SFL to re-appeal anyway. As I said before, the best scenario I can envisage for Livi is it going back to SFL, with the SFA tribunal making a series of observations on the case, for SFL to look at when reconsidering the punishment they give to Livi. I cannot forsee the SFA tribunal upholding Livi's appeal completely. Edited September 7, 2009 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Silverheels Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 So let me get this straight; Rankine complains about MacIntyre placing illegal bets with him...even though he gladly accepts the bets. He also has a problem with McMaster holding shares in two teams at the same time by proxy, even though he himself does the same thing. Ballantyne also comes under fire from Rankine for "participating" in discussions on Livingston's fate, and indeed tried to influence the vote...even though the end result of the meeting was for Livi to remain in the First. Am I correct so far? Rankine seems to be nothing more than a scumbag of the highest order. And this is the guy who will be part of the consortium running the country's most historically corrupt club. The vultures are roosting in the rafters at Almondvale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Is that aimed at me because I'm a (sweary word) turncoat? No, not at all mate. If anything I was thinking of myself there, as the thought occured to me the other day, that if Livi were reinstated, we would get another bite of the cherry at getting three points instead of the one we took from the Airdrie game. All of this after my principled rants of late July and early August. I quickly felt disgusted with myself for thinking in such a way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 So let me get this straight; Rankine complains about MacIntyre placing illegal bets with him...even though he gladly accepts the bets. He also has a problem with McMaster holding shares in two teams at the same time by proxy, even though he himself does the same thing. Ballantyne also comes under fire from Rankine for "participating" in discussions on Livingston's fate, and indeed tried to influence the vote...even though the end result of the meeting was for Livi to remain in the First. Am I correct so far?Rankine seems to be nothing more than a scumbag of the highest order. And this is the guy who will be part of the consortium running the country's most historically corrupt club. The vultures are roosting in the rafters at Almondvale. I think he caused the bother due to the result of the second meeting going against the promise made in the first meeting. The rest of your quote.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Silverheels Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I think he caused the bother due to the result of the second meeting going against the promise made in the first meeting.The rest of your quote.... Come on PLL, do you actually believe that Rankine is a person of high moral fibre and integrity? Do you think he has Livi's best interests at heart? Isn't it possible that he has another agenda, and that Livi are just a means to an end? Livi have been living on borrowed time for how many years? It seems they've been living on other people's money as well. How many chairmen have come and gone under a cloud of suspicion and debt? Most, if not all of them, or that's how it appears to me. Do you think I'm wrong in saying that Livi are the most historically corrupt club in Scottish football? How many times have they ran up huge debts, and then performed some escape act where the creditors get screwed, but the club soldiers on like nothing happened? How many times has it been someone else's fault, and how many deluded Livi supporters buy into the vacuous promises of one owner after another? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Come on PLL, do you actually believe that Rankine is a person of high moral fibre and integrity? Do you think he has Livi's best interests at heart? Isn't it possible that he has another agenda, and that Livi are just a means to an end?Livi have been living on borrowed time for how many years? It seems they've been living on other people's money as well. How many chairmen have come and gone under a cloud of suspicion and debt? Most, if not all of them, or that's how it appears to me. Do you think I'm wrong in saying that Livi are the most historically corrupt club in Scottish football? How many times have they ran up huge debts, and then performed some escape act where the creditors get screwed, but the club soldiers on like nothing happened? How many times has it been someone else's fault, and how many deluded Livi supporters buy into the vacuous promises of one owner after another? I agree, all that I've heard is not good, that's why I used the - which soon will be - then- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 well no, to be exact I'm sad enough to go and consult the rulebook while everyone else just postulates . Cowdenbeath and Airdrie don't have any individual right to appeal Livi being put back into Div 1, as their "promotion" was entirely co-incidental to the punishment of Livi due to breaching rules on insolvency practitionership. However, they could bring a vote to the SFL MC (or even call a SGM) to get the SFL to re-appeal or challenge the SFA tribunal decision... In the highly unlikely event SFA tribunal upholds Livi's appeal in full today, I'd expect SFL to re-appeal anyway.As I said before, the best scenario I can envisage for Livi is it going back to SFL, with the SFA tribunal making a series of observations on the case, for SFL to look at when reconsidering the punishment they give to Livi. I cannot forsee the SFA tribunal upholding Livi's appeal completely. I disagree with you on that point. I think it depends. If the SFA refer the punishment back to the SFL Management Committee and, say for example, the SFL MC reinstate Livi but deduct 10 points, any club aggrieved with a decision of the MC can appeal. It doesn't have to be the club punished who appeals, it could be any one of the SFL clubs who can appeal a decision. Of course, if the decision is made by the SFA, that is a different matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AND180Y Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 West Lothian Council now shutting down community centres to save cash!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantoms-livi-lass Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 West Lothian Council now shutting down community centres to save cash!! The voice of doom arrives to whip up yet more hatred! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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