Farrah Swango Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 i think airdrie and cowden were staying where they were regardless waffen and the sfl were going to give compo to the div 3 clubs. could be wrong though. At the very least i hope the sfl learn something from this, but I won't hold my breath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_7 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Do those grapes taste sour ? You really are a fucking c**t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Was at football training, whats happened? are they dead? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Just been on radio scotland Livi have to get 75% of the votes for to get the rule change.Airdrie will not be happy Cowden will not be happy so that could be 2 lost votes for starters so its not all over yet. edit because a was burning ma tea. Can't remember who it was that was speaking on the radio but he did say he had spoken to a few chairmen and they were fed up and pissed off with the whole Livi thing. Airdrie,Cowdenbeath and Clyde were teams that were mentioned for likely to vote against. he said that the matter was not finished with as Livi will get some sort of sanction. no point fining them they have no money likely to get a points deduction. St.Johnstone will most likely vote against any change. Geoff Broon HATES Livi with a passion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay_7 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Was at football training, whats happened? are they dead? Massone has an ever extendable deadline to sell his stake in the club. If/when he does, a new company will be started, the league membership will be transferred and Livingston FC Ltd will be wound up with the new team starting in the 3rd division. If he doesn't sell, they'll be given a 15 point penalty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 So that'll be "no" then.Stuart That'll be "you are a liar and you know it!" Not being able to prove that something did not happen does not therefore mean that it did. This is the real world, not your regular copy of the Daily Sport. Dear oh dear.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 St.Johnstone will most likely vote against any change. Geoff Broon HATES Livi with a passion He's most certainly not in a minority of one after today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) St.Johnstone will most likely vote against any change. Geoff Broon HATES Livi with a passion Ghostie made a boo-boo Perhaps I should clarify as ghostie isn't on his game today. There are 30 clubs in the SFL, and Geoff Brown isn't in charge of any of them. Edited July 30, 2009 by Johnstoun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Are they insolvent? Is the definition not that they cannot pay their debts. I would have thought that the jury is out on that, since we don't know what kind of cash or commitments the latest white knights are going to make. They are "hopelessly insolvent" according to their administrator - Link (about half way through the article) I'd suggest that this is exactly the time. The consequences need to be plainly and clearly laid out well in advance so that the league doesn't leave clubs like Livi wriggle room should they fail to pay their debts in full and so clubs like Clyde don't feel cheated when they try to pay theirsStuart Yes, although I'd rather vent my anger at the cheats than have a serious discussion in this thread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Do those grapes taste sour ? You're loving this aren't you? Tell us, what would your thoughts be if you were still a creditor and were about to get utterly shafted? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronaldincoo Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) HMRC are one of the biggest and, in fact, the prime creditor. They will not allow some 'tax dodge' change of rule by the SFA to stand in the way. By HMRC I mean that's us, the taxpayer. I understand West Lothian council gave Livi £25K for 'hospitality' for council officials and the like, the free-loading shysters. All it would take is for a concerned tax-payer to ask for a judicial review and methinks the game would be up. If I read between the lines on Rule 21.7 what the SFA are proposing is that McDougal & Rankine can walk into Livingston FC, make a slight change the name to the business and walk away from the debts. This sounds like a very dubious business practice very like what used to be known as a 'phoenix' fraud dressed up as a good deal for scottish football. It will be interesting to see if the SFA ever realise that what they are proposing consitutes a criminal offence.Nobody in their right minds will ever lend any money again to the game. Stupid b*****ds. Edited July 30, 2009 by ronaldincoo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Loon Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 St.Johnstone will most likely vote against any change. Geoff Broon HATES Livi with a passion St johnstone dont get a vote as they are in the SPL not the SFL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MalckyB Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Massone has an ever extendable deadline to sell his stake in the club. If/when he does, a new company will be started, the league membership will be transferred and Livingston FC Ltd will be wound up with the new team starting in the 3rd division.If he doesn't sell, they'll be given a 15 point penalty Close but no cigar.....Livi are deffo staying in the first Division and its yet to be decided how many points we will lose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 You don't think it's a scandal that an insolvent club is given different and preferential treatment to at least two clubs which no longer exist? Of course it's a scandal - that is stating the bloody obvious - but to berate Livingston for being the beneficiaries of it is frankly childish: if Ross County were in the same boat you would certainly not be complaining, and deep down you know it. The villains of the piece are the SFL (who are - remember - the clubs themselves, including your Ross County). They make the rules. They even make up the rules as they go along. The buck stops with them as to how they are interpreted. It would be wonderful if Clydebank and Gretna (the latter having at least the smattering of a case and a direct linkage back to the old club as well as the new) sued the arse off the SFL for these dual standards, but that's not going to happen. Better still would be for Scottish club football fans to petition UEFA to intervene to give Scottish football the shakedown it so badly needs to ensure a situation like this never happens again. As I've said, this could be a golden opportunity - if fans make themselves heard enough - to get through a lot of long overdue changes up here. Hell mend us if we pass up the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoRdY_b Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Close but no cigar.....Livi are deffo staying in the first Division and its yet to be decided how many points we will lose. Aye, so the rules are adapted to suit Franchise FC, their legoland stadium and patchwork existence. I doubt we'd see the like for any other club in Scotland outside the Old Firm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danlichtie Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Oh the Irony,someone from Arbroath calling Livi a shitty little town!!....lmfao.!! More vinegar for those sour grapes sir?!!.. I don't come from Arbroath mate - I lord it over you from Edinburgh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steak & Barley Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shameful decision but not surprising. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of Jim Morton Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Ghostie made a boo-booPerhaps I should clarify as ghostie isn't on his game today. There are 30 clubs in the SFL, and Geoff Brown isn't in charge of any of them. OOPS!!!!!!!! Well blow me down with a peashooter man, you are indeed correct. I momentarily forgot that we are the champions my friends.Geoff will be gutted for sure. He may even resign St.Johnstone from the SPL just to get a chance to vote "No get them away tae fuck". Now repeat 100 times.." St.Johnstone are in the SPL, St.Johnstone are in the SPL, St.Johnstone are in the SPL........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoss Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I've mostly defended the SFL up to now but I'm very concerned about this. I'm struggling to see any justification at all for this afternoon's fuge. Anyone going to volunteer to attempt one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I've mostly defended the SFL up to now but I'm very concerned about this. I'm struggling to see any justification at all for this afternoon's fuge. Anyone going to volunteer to attempt one? They don't have a clue is the justification. "We can't have a league with 9 teams in it and we can't punish the poor fans of Livi". I hope fans in D1 will boycott Livi games if they get away with this and write off their debts again. I don't know why be bothered paying everyone back- we really were mugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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