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  1. 35 minutes ago, Jack Burton said:

    The Old Firm have been trying for years to get their Colts in the SPFL setup and it's been rejected time and again by the SPFL clubs.

    The LL given them a foot in the door one level below the SPFL has got everyone livid.

    Once they are in the pyramid setup it is going to be much more difficult to dislodge them. I don't buy into it only being for 1 year, they haven't been trying to get in for years just to accept a 1 year trial. They want their Colts in the Championship not the LL.

    There are other reserve teams in the current pyramid but they are stuck in the bottom tier of their region and can't progress any higher. The Old Firm Colts jumping in at tier 5 especially when there is so many teams in tier 6 waiting to get in has also pissed everyone off.

    I'm surprised any club keen to get promoted to the SPFL is in favour of it as they must realise it will harm their chances of getting any more promotion/relegation to the SPFL.

    I can well understand your concern regarding the 'foot in the door' as your describe. 

    The LL clubs have voted to allow them in for this season only - nothing more. Nobody knows how any subsequent vote might turn out. Who knows wot evidence will come from this experiment.

    It appears from this experiment that the old firm will be neither promoted nor relegated so i fail to see how that will impact on the chances of the rest of the LL clubs. 

    As for the possibility of the old firm colts progressing further up the pyramid - do you really think the LL has so much influence that they alone can make that happen ??

     

  2. 15 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

    That benefit, if it materialises, will be negligible. The benefit for the OF is getting their second foothold in the system, a further two cuckoos in the pyramid nest. Their minimum aim, while the top squads compete in Scotland, is the Championship for their second string (even although the sides playing in the LL will not be second string).

     

    You may be partly right in one aspect though

    I do believe the long term aim for the old firm is to have their first teams play in a British league and a second team play at as high a level as possible in Scotland

  3. 6 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

    That benefit, if it materialises, will be negligible. The benefit for the OF is getting their second foothold in the system, a further two cuckoos in the pyramid nest. Their minimum aim, while the top squads compete in Scotland, is the Championship for their second string (even although the sides playing in the LL will not be second string).

     

    This sounds like another go on the same old merry-go-round !!

    I am not interested - at present- in what happens after this one year experiment.

    You seem to have accepted that the LL clubs have already made their minds up to continue after this one year experiment - I don't believe they have, which is why i said to finish

    All in all, if it is passed at the AGM, then at the end of this experiment we will all have lots to talk about going forward, but at least we will have a bit of evidence to back it up !

     

  4. I don’t think this forum has ever had so many visitors all eager to make their point known.
    As far as the comments as to whether this was a good idea / bad idea, it was no contest – a landslide against.

    At least my only point in this debate won through – it was for the LL clubs to decide on this matter.

    I do believe that effects of the proposed boycott of LL teams will be minimal at best.
    Most LL clubs have their “big team” supporters and I reckon that they will be the ones to turn out to see the old firm colts. I reckon travelling fans will be few and far between.

    Anyway - Clubs in the LL have existed and remained alive with their “crap attendances” that we keep hearing about !!

    With this experiment only for one year, any notion that it would provide a benefit for the national team was always gonna be spurious to say the least.
    I then tried to think about what benefits Celtic & Rangers would get.
    Why this route rather than the usual loan system ?
    The loan system has worked well for many years and many clubs have benefited.

    The only benefit that I can see for the old firm for this  experiment is that
    Celtic will have their team playing the “Celtic way”  & 
    Rangers will have their team playing the “Rangers way”

    I then tried to examine is there any benefit to the LL from this experiment ?
    The only one is that of greater media exposure.
    Like it or not, newspapers make sure that they cover all aspects of what the old firm are up to.
    The other area of greater media exposure is through the old firm websites & their media channels.

    They both have a big beast to fill for their fans worldwide and if the LL clubs get a bit of that then it can’t be anything other than good.

    All in all, if it is passed at the AGM, then at the end of this experiment we will all have lots to talk about going forward, but at least we will have a bit of evidence to back it up !
     

  5. 3 hours ago, Connor7 said:

    Agree with everything that has been said. Kelty were a bit slow to get started yesterday. But when they did click into gear, they blew Brora away. The second half performance from them yesterday was outstanding. A strong Brora team, that Kelty made look very average. Take that momentum into the Brechin games, and it should be too much for Brechin. With all due respect, it won’t be an easy two games for Kelty. Brechin have picked up some decent results of late.

    I have to agree, Kelty were much stronger & I didn't expect that.

    Only one one aspect over the two matches were Brora far better & that was the camera location. At Kelty it is far too low & was far more difficult to follow the match.

    But, being Kelty it will summat they will have in hand to improve !!

  6. 15 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:

    Well every post I read on here you are certainly in favour of them getting in the LL. 

    Shoving these colt teams is taking the piss oot of the pyramid when other clubs have spent fortunes to get where they are. So aye I'd say it affects every other club below tier 5.

    I'd rather have 2 teams who have played their way up be it east west or south than have these 2 shoe horned in. What if other SPL clubs want in the LL as well? Where does it stop?

    It's a money grabbing opportunity for sure for your club and the rest of the LL but you need to look at the long term picture here. The LL might just make further changes which wont suit your club.

    Like you say the LL clubs will have their say and well done the Strollers in getting their tuppence worth in early.

     As I've said,there s no way this is  a one season wonder. I'm very much not convinced by it at all.If that makes you think I'm calling George a liar then so be it. 

     

    You make a bold statement about what you reckon I have said, why don't you quote me where I have expressed an opinion about whether the proposal is either good or bad.

    I have been careful not to make one.

    All I have been making the case for is that it is for the current lowland league to decide on the merits or not of this proposal.

    This current one year proposal as it stands only affects the current LL clubs. That is the only point I am making.

     

  7. 59 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

    Without resorting to large text, I'll give you a simple example of how this proposal, if accepted, affects other clubs. Two SFA members argued they were wasting their time playing against other Scottish clubs in B fixtures, and excused themselves from the set up to play better quality sides, in their view. 

     

    Much the same as their A fixture outfits, nobody really wanted them, so gradually they've worked downwards now flinging pennies at LL sides in the hope of a foothold in the league system. They've 'affected' clubs at their level by disrupting established development arrangements, while they're making an attempt to steal a march on every other club by shoehorning their B teams into the pyramid. 

     

    Don't insult your own intelligence by arguing it doesn't affect any clubs other than those in the LL: publicity issued by the LL clubs, and so far the Ibrox side, is contradictory, even leaving aside the true reason the OF wish to gain a platform.

    Patronising guff helps nobody - & certainly doesn't help your case.

    The only clubs that can & will make any decision on this proposal are the current lowland leagues clubs. It really is as simple as that !!

  8. 3 hours ago, bravehearts dad said:

    I wonder if the proposal to admit the OF to the LL is rejected, will George Fraser have the good grace and decency to resign from his position in the Lowland League?

     

    C’mon The Rose 🌹🌹🌹

    Why would you expect him to do that ??

    This is a proposal that will offer the LL clubs funds. Whether you like the proposal or not surely it is in the members interest to at least consider that ? Or maybe you want him to act like a dictator and make decisions on behalf of the member clubs instead ??

    He can't win either way !!

  9. 16 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said:

    Every club will be affected by the proposal: why do you think there is such an outcry against it?

    Sorry - i dont accept your statement at all.

    I have previously said this on this matter 

    This proposal, as it stands affects only current LL teams. Nobody else.

    Any change at all after this proposal, is something entirely new. The ramifications of which would need to examined  & discussed by all those affected.

    You are mixing up this current proposal with a potential new proposal for a further season

  10. 3 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

    You did - "from clubs at tier 6"

    That comment was in response to a comment from Jack Burton who said

    "If the LL are looking to increase the size of the league then it should be from clubs tier 6. Civil Service Strollers have already come out to say they want any discussion to include that."

  11. Just now, Marshmallo said:

    No surprise this is being pushed by people from clubs with no fanbase to speak of. They don't have to worry about a backlash in the same way other clubs would.

    Again - are you really saying that a minimum number of fans are required before clubs are allowed to make decisions affecting them ??????????

  12. 9 minutes ago, Jack Burton said:

    In what way are the LL clubs been dictated to by people expressing their opinions on pie and bovril?

    If the LL are looking to increase the size of the league then it should be from clubs tier 6. Civil Service Strollers have already come out to say they want any discussion to include that so this proposal doesn't just impact the LL clubs even if it is for one season which you need to be extremely naive to believe.

    Simple fact is there is only one proposal to be considered.

    Nobody has put forward any proposal to increase the LL from clubs at tier 6 

  13. 8 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

    Other teams' supporters expressing an opinion =/= "dictating to".  Attempting to bribe LL clubs = bribery though, however you wish to dress it up.

     

    9 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

    Other teams' supporters expressing an opinion =/= "dictating to".  Attempting to bribe LL clubs = bribery though, however you wish to dress it up.

    Bribery in Scottish football ?? - heaven forbid !!!

    That has NEVER happened before !!!

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