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1 minute ago, newcastle broon said:
Why are you getting so angry and why shouldn't there be a East and West Region?
It has been stated on here a multitude of times that the South is too weak a league to justify a shot of a play off at tier 6?
Least Threave have shown a bit balls?
What exactly is it you are you frightened of?
Where do you get the idea that I am angry ?? cos nothing could be further from the truth !!
Statements about the strength of a league does is not in itself a justification
Only Threave can provide their reason for moving leagues.
it is more than a bit disrespectful to imply that clubs who had a different view and chose to remain must be lacking 'balls'
Why do you reckon that I must frightened ?? I simply want to take the opportunity to provide an alternative view !!
That is the way to have a healthy debate on any subject.
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2 hours ago, newcastle broon said:
How is it incorrect though. ?
It's a logical solution 1 x East Region 1 x West region.
Like you say "IN THE PAST" let's look to the future.
2 Winners play off or even better 2 winners promoted
None of this round Robin stuff.
Simples.
Only Dalbeattie's membership was in the past, not the current membership !!
So far you have not stated one fact to justify your argument;
Apart from your assertion that it is logical and simple !!
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5 hours ago, parsforlife said:
EoS league and EoSFA are separate
So - are you really saying that members of the EOSFA could be denied entry into the E£OS League ?????
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57 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:
East now goes from Perth to Berwick no reason why the West can't now go Campbeltown to Gretna. 2 champions playing off.
I suggest you check your information before make this incorrect statement as a fact.
A quick look at the Club Directory on the EOS website confirms that Gretna 2008, Hawick & Peebles are all there as members !!
In the past, even as far west as Dalbeattie are, they were also members until they resigned.
Seems the EOS covers a bigger footprint in the LL area than most members realise !
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5 hours ago, Burnieman said:
I think a grand total of five clubs next season are in the LL based on results (2 upwards, 3 downwards). None of them are OG Broomhill.
ALL the teams currently in the LL are there because of the results and points achieved on the pitch !!
No matter how they arrived in the league they have been able to stay there due to their results on the pitch.
So far OG Broomhill and all the rest of those that are deemed not to be 'Proper Clubs' have done exactly that and until that changes and they go down - or up, then they deserve to be in the LL.
It really is that simple.
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11 minutes ago, an86 said:
FC Podcast v Premiership Boys Clubs. Feel genuinely sorry for the proper clubs in the league, who don’t deserve this shit. The potential for this league is really decent and they’re being shat on by grifters.
No matter what you think of all the various clubs that don't qualify to be called 'Proper Clubs' - they are there because they have achieved their position in the league because of their results on the pitch.
They will stay there until that changes and they are no longer good enough to remain in the league.
Only then will they move - as a pyramid system works !!
Simple name calling won't relegate them and I seriously doubt they will go bust either because of being called a few nasty names.
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14 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:
I have followed this topic with great interest ( as I do all posts on LL, SOS & WOS).
Basically there is much ado about not very much.
To me there is a lot of folk getting het up about the injustice of where the SOS should be in the grand scheme of the pyramid.Sorry, cant help myself but reply to your points, wells most of them l claim the right of reply !
Yes agreed right now at this season so far
Right now, the WOS are heading towards an 80 team limit.
Within that number, at what level the SOS is at, really doesn’t matter to the vast majority, since the twain will never meet (except occasionally in a Cup.)
So really any bone of contention between the WOS & SOS would only affect the top of the premier league.
I'm sure there are many WOS people on here or outwit have a bone of contention but there are a lot who look at this objectively with no affiliation to either and want to see what they think is best for and to improve the pyramid system
If this was a system starting afresh I would tend to agree with that analysis but what is being proposed is shoehorning leagues to achieve not very much
I totally agree that the bottleneck right now is solely with how the LL have dealt with the number of teams for relegation.
Yes agree, but its equally the SPFL2 faults as the Lowland state that they cannot have 2 or 3 relegated when there is, maybe none promoted form the Lowland LeagueI believe the two situations of promotion and relegation from the LL could and probably should be dealt with separately
Without question that number should be increased – to what is still for debate.
Personally 2 automatically relegated and the 3rd bottom in a playoff.
Nothing further
I also don’t feel that the SOS would be inflexible or dogmatic in any of those discussions.
I have no views to comment on this as I am not privy to anyone from the SOSFLs viewsI am certainly not privy to them either - just a gut feeling since they have always been flexible in the past.
I have a question for Burnieman.
I had to reply, sorry
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I have had conversations with people in the LL who say that having the SoS at tier 6 makes it problematic to open up to automatic promotion for the three Champions clubs at tier 6.
I don't know about conversations that Burnieman has had but I'm fully believe that many would find the SOSFL in tier 6 as problematic in regards to promotion and relegation to and from the Lowland.Who are these many you refer to - and who do they represent ??
Are you claiming that the conversations you have have represent the views of all in the LL ??
Can you clarify just how many clubs were represented in your sample conversations ?The number of clubs represented is critical since if we take the other highly contentious decision recently about colts, a poll from one side or the other would give a highly skewed view and not representative of the LL at all.
I still believe the colts stuff and hearts is and outside matter of promotion and relegation and is not deemed critical to the promotion/relegation/playoff situationsI do agree that the colts issue is, and should be a separate matter. My point was that the latest views on this matter have varied wildly dependant on timing and at the finish, depending on which side you obtained a view, certainly could not claim to have that view represent all of the LL clubs
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1 hour ago, Burnieman said:
That is absolutely not what I said. If you're going to question my motives (I don't really care if you believe me or not) at least get what I am saying correct.
You list Gretna as your club, let's hear your viewpoint on the whole SoS/tier 6 business, and do you believe the LL will move to 3 pro/rel spots and promote the 3 tier 6 Champs?
I do agree - I misquoted you and for that you have my apology.
The critical point I question is the comment - which you state you kinda agree with
I have had conversations with people in the LL who say that having the SoS at tier 6 makes it problematic to open up to automatic promotion for the three Champions clubs at tier 6.
Whoever made that comment to you , as you said a year ago, I question whether they could truly reflect the mood of the entire LL clubs. Plus who knows what the mood of all the LL clubs is now, one year on.
Nothing more - and I am certainly not implying anything about your motives in relaying this info.
As to whether the LL will open up relegation places - they certainly should.
As to whether they will move directly to 3 relegation spots - i reckon that is less likely but will eventually.
I don't reckon that whatever level the SOS is at really matters much at all.
I do believe they will be flexible in discussions to establishing a workable promotion system.
Lets be honest here - worst case scenario it will only involve another couple of games in a playoff
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There is only one assertion that you have made that I have great difficulty in accepting.
The uncorroborated single view that the SOS is the reason for any movement in increasing the number of relegation places is, in my view, spurious and highly questionable.
You claim that you are not online to convince anyone ?? You have made many valid statements in the past and still claim you are not here to convince anyone ??
I leave others to make their own mind up on how accurate that claim is !!
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12 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
I'm not here to convince anyone, what you or I post on here has no relevance in the real world. I'm just passing on stuff I've been told and it's upto you what you take from it.
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22 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
I'm more than satisfied that it was a view held by the LL at the time. Their recent reluctance to expand relegation/promotion beyond one club probably underlines it even more.
If the LL ever goes to 3 up/down by promoting all 3 tier 6 Champs then feel free to come back and pick me up on it, I'd be delighted.
So, in the absence of any corroborating evidence that you are able to provide, basically we simply have to take your word for it.
Not really a reliable basis for anyone to convince others of the validity of the cause you espouse.
BTW - I am not saying that the comments you were provided with were incorrect - it just that views, by what appears to be one person, can be extrapolated to cover the views of all of the LL clubs is tenuous to say the least.
Plus views stated a year ago ?? - who knows how relevant they are now !!
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1 hour ago, Burnieman said:
The details of my conversation on the subject are of course confidential, however my understanding was (and this was about a year ago) that this is the general view of member clubs. There was no chance that all three Champions would gain an automatic promotion spot, and that at best - short term - we would see half-a-spot increase via the second bottom team involved in the play-off. We're not even at that stage yet.
It's not for me to say whether this is accurate or not, I simply don't know, however I have no reason to disbelieve my source and I think people know me well enough by now to know I don't BS on stuff like this.
I did not ask for, nor would I expect you to, provide any information gained in a confidential conversation.
I was merely trying to ascertain how representative the views you are stating are.
Was it simply one clubs representative view - or a collection of club representatives and how may of them ??
As we have seen on other issues being dealt with by the LL, decisions taken can vary wildly in a much shorter time frame than those stated a year ago.
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I have followed this topic with great interest ( as I do all posts on LL, SOS & WOS).
Basically there is much ado about not very much.
To me there is a lot of folk getting het up about the injustice of where the SOS should be in the grand scheme of the pyramid.
Right now, the WOS are heading towards an 80 team limit.
Within that number, at what level the SOS is at, really doesn’t matter to the vast majority, since the twain will never meet (except occasionally in a Cup.)
So really any bone of contention between the WOS & SOS would only affect the top of the premier league.
I totally agree that the bottleneck right now is solely with how the LL have dealt with the number of teams for relegation.Without question that number should be increased – to what is still for debate
I also don’t feel that the SOS would be inflexible or dogmatic in any of those discussionsI have a question for Burnieman.
You stated
I have had conversations with people in the LL who say that having the SoS at tier 6 makes it problematic to open up to automatic promotion for the three Champions clubs at tier 6.
Are you claiming that the conversations you have have represent the views of all in the LL ??
Can you clarify just how many clubs were represented in your sample conversations ?The number of clubs represented is critical since if we take the other highly contentious decision recently about colts, a poll from one side or the other would give a highly skewed view and not representative of the LL at all.
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31 minutes ago, Yogi said:
The game is played the night before marymass usually the 4th Friday after the first Monday in August the fair is the 4th Saturday after the first Monday in August
Marymass Saturday is always the 3rd Saturday after the first Monday in August so the game is always the Friday night before.
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20 minutes ago, Darvel legend said:
which makes you wonder about the pyramid system , as whoever wins the league and play offs will see their crowds drop like a stone , even talbot who had around 600 at a wednesday night game which is brilliant , if that was at home to caledonian braves and no disrespect to them there would be half that at the game , or even in the league above that lets take albion rovers as an example again there would be around the same mark , being licensed having a scottish cup run and finishing 2nd would be a great season for the club treasurers imo
Surely the priority for all clubs is to maximise their home support. Any and all initiatives should be employed to achieve this aim.
Having a healthy home support is to my mind vital for growing and running a club. I would suggest Talbot are one club who are very successful in doing just that. Hopefully Darvel are doing exactly the same.
i also reckon that the lure of club licencing which has resulted in the improvement of the facilities being provided is another help in bringing in new / back lapsed fans.
Visiting supporters should be the cream going into the club coffers
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31 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:
I think the question a lot of people have is will the existence of B teams actually significantly improve the players who would be in those academies anyway or will the existence of B teams simply allow the clubs with B teams to collect up more of the better young players available anyway?
I am sure everyone is asking that very same question, including those running the B teams as well.
I reckon that the rationale behind this decision to play in the LL is really to expand on the variety of teams that their youngsters will play against.
Having the 9 elite teams playing against each other so often would be very repetitive and maybe not develop them as much as would be hoped.
Who knows really. It is a big step in the dark for everyone and am sure the conclusions reached at the end of this next season will be studied very carefully by everyone.
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I don't think anyone believes that having these two B teams in the lowland league will suddenly produce a host of future Scotland players.
Scotland has a number of Club Academies, 9 at Elite level with the 2 B teams among them.
Billy Gilmour is the most notable example of a player coming through the academy system.
I reckon that the decision to play in the LL and a desire to play at an even higher level is motivated simply to develop these players further. Most definitely, though this is only going to be done for the benefit of these two clubs, initially at least.
Even if most players don't make it to the highest level, they could certainly earn a living within the game & will certainly become part of the pool of players that lower league clubs would want.
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17 hours ago, RampantFM said:
Gretna are getting a new pitch installed at Raydale and there's a reason East Stirlingshire are playing all their friendlies away from home. Common sense the clubs made the request.
I now totally understand the reason for Gretna's request to start the season with away games.
Just a pity they did not feel that this sort of info was important enough to include on their App!!
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The situation of consecutive home or away games is not an isolated case with regard to Gretna.
The fixtures up to the end of 2021 means that only 3 clubs do not has a run of a minimum 3 home / away fixtures.
The 14 clubs have a total of 22 cases of the same minimum 3 consecutive games.
2 clubs in fact have a consecutive run of 5 home games.
Also 2 clubs have 3 occasions of the same minimum consecutive games.
All of the above info applies to 2021 only.
This very odd pattern of games must undoubtably strain club finances.
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9 minutes ago, Ginaro said:
Well if you don't have a pitch it's a bit difficult to play any games at home...
That is certainly as good a reason as any as regards Gretna - didnt realise that was happening !!!
It certainly doesn't explain why almost all of the rest of the teams have a run of home / away games in the first few months of the season tho.
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Having just had a look at the fixtures for all the teams and the rational behind how the fixtures were worked out is totally baffling !
Obviously I had a look at Gretna 2008 fixtures first - to be given first 4 games away on the trot??? Why the need for that scenario is the real puzzler. Later on they have 3 home games on the trot - again why the need ???
Checking the rest of the clubs in the league and almost all have a run of 3 or 4 home or away games on the trot at some time - again - why ????
I know ever club has to play each other at some time but a good start gives momentum. Playing 4 away games to start is a very tough way to build that momentum.
In the past the normality would be alternate home / away fixtures but this current lot is a really strange way to plan a league campaign.
All in all a very lopsided fixture list which is difficult to understand why it has been worked out in that way.
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1 hour ago, virginton said:
Our failed regens deserve to be shipped off from the Mainland to a Craggy/Rugged island holding pen so Bute fits the bill perfectly. At least until Wee Cumbrae is repopulated.
Whit has Bute done to deserve to be inflicted with that sort of treatment ????
There are much smaller islands like Broad isle off Cumbrae, Holy Isle & Pladda island off Arran which would fit the bill & give them a much more uncomfortable existence !!
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From all the comments made by fans of clubs outwith the LL, it would seem there are only 11 clubs that are in favour of admission of the B teams.
As this is an experiment for 1 year only then I would have expected that those self same fans who decry the decision would be happy that timeframe.
If there is truly only 11 clubs in favour, logic dictates that, as promotion and relegation takes place year on year, then it will indeed be a short lived experiment !
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Very sad news indeed. A genuinely passionate man where HIS team were concerned. If Whitehill were playing, no matter where you were in the ground, you heard him long before you saw him !!
As he has been described by others, truly dedicated, a giant of a man, a legend, yet these hardly seem enough to describe the very special man who gave his all for Whitehill Welfare.
RIP Sir Peter.
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Enough local talent ?? I really wonder about that.
You will find that almost all of the good local talent have at some time or other played for the top local sides, Dalbeattie, Gretna 2008, Threave & whatever SOS team decides to have a go for the league that season.
With the dropping of a league by Queen of the South they are having to fish in a lower pond that was maybe Annan's preserve and so Annan are looking around and picking up the best of the LL in the local area.
when you look at the population hotspots in Dumfries & Galloway they really are well spread out and consequently the availability of a large good player pool is not possible.
Plus of course, availability of good players in an area does go in cycles and maybe there are just not too many around right now.