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I'd say the lower picture there, of the English cup final, is an unusually good action shot for 1905, it's easy to imagine being there. I mean compare it with the picture of the Third Lanark team, which isn't even an action shot but it looks like it could have been taken in 1880. But what really shows that the past is a foreign country, is the fact that the Newcastle keeper is wearing the same strip as his team mates. Until right now I would never have guessed that that lasted into the 20th century, but googling reveals that it was only his cap which showed that he was the keeper. I am astounded!

It was not.

It was, as was losing the SC replay to Hibs 4-1 at Easter Road in 2007, and the QoS match the following year. I was at all these defeats. I also saw Scotland shit the bed 1-3 against Egypt at Pittodrie in 1990 and 1-4 against Sweden at Easter Road in 2004. I don't think the Sweden game really mattered but the Egypt one was about 26 days before the aforementioned Costa Rica debacle.

I haven't bothered to rewatch it but I think Patterson did successfully get through a few players with the ball in almost exactly the same position about 10 minutes before the goal. He managed it then and it obviously gave him the (misplaced) confidence that he would be able to do it again. The Robertson injury seemed to shake up the whole team, the goal came very soon afterwards. Not that that's an excuse.

Triple Crown decider for us and no one else.

Believe it or not, they were about the same size. If anything I've over-estimated the area for the Easter Road one as I couldn't get the area tool to work on the later map here and estimated, on the generous side, where it would be on the older map. The later map shows all the staircases, and you can also see that they moved the bowls club when the terracing was extended. Here is a link to the amazing National Library of Scotland maps website, centred on 2nd and 3rd Hampdens: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.6&lat=55.82908&lon=-4.25449&layers=170s&b=1&o=100

The confusion is that the thread title and OP have 2 contradictory questions - "Will Warnock HIbs it?" and "Will Warnock keep Aberdeen in the League?"

Nobody thought it was a fucking toepoke.

This isn't entirely accurate. The Bradford fire was on 11/5/85, the Heysel disaster was 18 days later on 29/5/85. The Taylor Report was triggered not by these but by the Hillsborough disaster 4 years later. I'm not sure if the Heysel disaster triggered any changes in British football grounds but if it did it would have been as part of the Popplewell Inquiry into the Bradford fire. Also, in the mid 1980s some smaller lower division football grounds were still in the process of being "designated" as part of the aftermath of the Ibrox disaster.

Yes, they edited that commentary track!

The darts in the title sequence bring back the unease alluded to years ago in the original "Only an Excuse" when they said something like "when Scotsport opens with Arthur Montford sitting in front of an ice rink and you know you're going to get an hour of curling instead of any football".

Doesn't the referee sometime say he doesn't know if the ball's been grounded and then ask the TMO to decide? By saying it had been held up it seems that in effect the ref unnecessarily prejudiced the outcome.

I don't give a shit about Scotland playing negatively, in fact it's easier on the nerves. We were completely robbed by that knock on decision and the TMO decision.

One of the few real tells that the Traitors gave away was Ross's reaction to Andrew lying. I think it was Molly that noticed this and carried on talking about it, so she wasn't completely clueless. However I think Harry accidentally gave himself away to her in episode 9 or 10. Nobody mentioned it on Uncloaked or online, but they were alone together and she was worried about being murdered. Harry said something like "Don't worry, you won't be murdered". There was a moment before he added "trust me" - he realised that he'd said the first part as a statement of fact as he genuinely wanted to reassure her and he knew that he and Andrew wouldn't murder her. So he then had to quickly add the second part to make it sound like he was guessing. The Faithfuls really needed someone with analytical skills towards the end. Zach presumably uses them at work but he got too caught up in stupid ideas, or failed to remember that there were 2 equally plausible explanations for the shield situation. Jaz was a good player but he messed up his explanation of the Paul tell - he was talking about a chain of 3 conversations, but it really wasn't clear what he was saying, it was so confusing that it was easy for Molly to ignore. Anthony is a chess coach, I think he might have been able to piece together the inconsistencies or holes in Harry's story. Unfortunately the other faithfuls piled on him at the start for stupid reasons. Jasmine was probably the most intelligent one towards the end but she was partly to blame for Anthony being banished. I had forgotten why I didn't take to Diane when everyone else was raving about her - it was because of the stupid way she went on at Anthony and others at the start (the stuff she's been doing since she was murdered has been hilarious though).

What I've read was that the main place for Association Football in pre-partition Ireland outside the north east was Cork, which would have been just as working class as Belfast. Obviously politics were very different though.

Yes, just didn't want to add too much to an already wordy post.

This is effectively Australian Rules football. The closely related Gaelic Football is also very close to how Association Football was played in the late 1860s, with outfield players being allowed to catch the ball and shots over the bar counting instead of the Australian shots by the posts.

Actually I think this is wrong, I was at a Thistle v Dons match in the league in the early 90s with my late dad, which I think we contrived to lose.

I have only been to Ibrox once, for a 0-0 in the league in 1987. We were in the left hand end (facing the pitch) of the old main stand, a few years before they started work on putting the third tier on it. We were in curvy wooden seats which probably dated from 1928. This was before the Durrant game - at half time I wandered most of the length of the concourse inside the main stand looking for a pie stall in my red and white scarf, entirely surrounded by Rangers fans, and got no hassle at all. My dad was from a Glasgow family that supported Queen's Park when the club could keep their place in the top tier. As a teenager he was at the "Ibrox Sports" a few times, I think he said they had 5 a side matches on the full size pitch, which were about as crap and unentertaining as one would imagine. I've been to Parkhead 3 times. First was for the 2-2 draw between Celtic and Aberdeen in 1987, beautiful Peter Nicholas lob and then a very late equaliser from Joe Miller not long before he joined them. I love the old-fashioned oval layout of Parkhead, Stamford Bridge, Hampden and Ibrox. I'm glad I got to experience the first two before they were rebuilt, and I will be sad whenever it goes at Hampden, even if it is so badly needed. No love for the club but I'd love to have seen Ibrox before it was rebuilt. The other times I was at Parkhead was for Scotland 6 Faroes 0 in some year that Hampden was unavailable because Robbie Williams was playing there, and for being part of the 43000 in 2014. Although I was at the 1987 league cup final, I think the only time I've seen either Aberdeen or Scotland lose in open play in Glasgow was the Queen of the South game at Hampden.

I think they just go through the motions to show that all the possibilities were actually in the hat (literally).

Ireland were in the equation as their record was the same as that of the Netherlands. Lots were drawn to decide which of the 2 went through in 2nd place.

The USSR got a 4-0 win in 1990, and a better goal difference than Scotland, but would have gone out whatever happened elsewhere as they finished 4th in their group.

Just looking at the 1990 results on Wikipedia, with 3 points for a win, Scotland and Austria would have been level on points with Ireland and the Netherlands, but no one else. I think Ireland and the Netherlands would still have gone through with the better goal differences.

It's much the same format as Italia '90 (though the rules on separating teams level on points in a group and between groups might have changed). In 1990 we beat Sweden but still managed to be one of the 2 third place teams that got knocked out. Even after the Brazil defeat there was still a chance we might get through but the crucial game in whichever group was relevant didn't go our way the next day. Of course, on the several occasions that we did get at least a win and a draw, the format of that year's tournament had only 2 teams going through from each group.