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35 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:
Ok. You said they now have rights. What rights did they get?
Mostly the right to exist in law. To have their legal documents reflect their gender and legal protections against discrimination on the basis of them being transgender.
Are you going anywhere with this?
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4 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:
What rights do they not have?Where in my post does it say that do not have rights?
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38 minutes ago, andyg83 said:
I think we have reached a new low. Even by this thread standards.
Hi there.
I doubt what you say is true.
But if you feel my post somehow crosses some threshold, the report button is right there.
Although i think you might struggle to form a coherent complaint.
f_c_Dundee said that cognitive dissonance is present in people arguing against her. She did not provide any examples of what it is or where it might be present. I thought i would provide some examples because i am familiar with the subject.
I also though it was quite funny that her posts are littered with so many examples.
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10 hours ago, f_c_dundee said:
I just see massive levels of cognitive dissonance to hold all that stuff in your head and believe it's fine.
Cognitive dissonance is a fascinating subject and i would recommend "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger which is the origin or the term.
It's not so much that there are two conflicting ideas being held. It is more about how the tension between those ideas gets resolved. How the it manifests itself in order to diminish the dissonance.
For example:
To the transphobe; there is no good reason or evidence for transgender people to receive any recognition.
Fact: In society transgender people are a minority. They do not occupy positions of power or influence. Theirs is a history or being marginalised and discriminated against. They are not part of establishment. Nor do they form any large voting bloc or political party.
And yet..
Transgender people are now recognised UK laws and have rights. Under a Conservative government.
The tension exists between the powerless position of trangender people and the granting of rights within the establishment.
How is it resolved?
One way is to recognise that there are sufficient argument in favour of those rights.
Unacceptable to the transphobe.
So they resolve the tension in another way: negate that they are powerless
That's where you get the conspiracy theory; the trans agenda, the shadowy cabal of doctors, the cultural marxists and the woke mind virus that makes their power level greater than Goku himself.
Similar to how the Q'Conspiracist explains away Trump being President and not locking up Hillary - he did not lie (that is unacceptable), therefore he was thwarted by the conspiratorial 'deep state'.
..and that's when the Nazis turn up; they love shadowy conspiracies and have 'opinions' on their preferred candidate.
Which is why you see such crossover between the groups.
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6 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said:
Neither FC Dundee, nor her views, seem repugnant to me.
She actually does well to stay calm considering all the abuse, sneering and sarcasm directed toward her.
Heh. Not surprising.
Football isn't exactly progressive. It's why even now we still have initiatives and programs to stamp out racism and homophobia.
I still remember the furore and outrage over the cross-dressing in the 80's
Mo Johnston in a Rangers tap
"IT AIN't NATURAL!!!11"
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6 minutes ago, scottsdad said:
"Say what you like about them, the trains ran on time"*
*Actual quote from my old driving instructor
Becomes less worthy when you realise who the trains were transporting, and where they were going.
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I dunno. When you start to say that Humza missed the vote because of unspecified reasons, but ignore his previous support and votes, his continued support and votes for further legislation and that in this case it was a final vote with cross-party and majority support where his vote was not vital.
You add in the fact that being absent is not a vote against and it seems the accusation is a bit thin.
Not to mention his support, membership and representation for the SNP, the party that has introduced and formulated all this legislation.
There is also his challenging the s35 which he is under no obligation to do. As the other two candidates clearly demonstrate.
I've been watching the hustings and he explains that his growing up as a minority in Scotland makes him more sensitive to issue of rights and representation. I can believe that.
A lot of context has to be removed to make it seem as if there is something mutterful amiss, and it doesn't appear to amount o whole lot more than a manufactured outrage. I watched the Beth Rigby interview and there was f**k all there too. Salmond looked well-fed though.
The hustings are lot less confrontational and more conversational than the press would like. So they have to look for dissent and gossip to make into something that the mouth-breathers will latch on to. What 's interesting is that there is no real scandal or corruption.
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I watched the first one, Humza was the better composed of all three. Will watch the next too.
I suspect Humza will remain favourite throughout.
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On 18/02/2023 at 13:10, MazzyStar said:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/02/15/ruoc-f15.html
The racist EU has once again ramped up its attacks on migrants, making the lives of people already in a terrible situation even worse. Just days after, this happens:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64680538Every time the EU does this human trafficking will get worse. Of course you won’t hear James O’Brien and the rest of the FBPE clowns mention this, they’ll just continue to say that anyone that voted for brexit is a thick racist that probably lives in a shithole.
Wut a line to open with
On February 9, the 27 heads of state and government of the European Union (EU) met in Brussels to decide on a massive tightening up of the common asylum and immigration policies. Another key topic was the escalation of the Ukraine war against Russia.
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18 minutes ago, Binos said:
One Joke®
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50 minutes ago, Clown Job said:
Ian Murray always looks like he needs a wash. Like he lives in the bins round the back, alone and unloved.
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On 24/09/2022 at 15:59, Kenneth840 said:
Can someone tell me when the SNP plan to start the Independence campaign 2023? Why does there seem to be no excitement or movement compared to the 2014 campaign.
Edit: Why did Blackford bend to Royalty?
Why did Sturgeon do the same?
Why has the SNP become part of the British establishment?
My guess is that they are waiting for the decision from the Supreme Court.
Politeness
Ditto
Not really, no Lords. That's a significant difference between the SNP, Scottish Greens and some other political parties.
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On 13/09/2022 at 14:09, welshbairn said:
What's @cambozpar ever done to you, @cambozpar ? Extraordinary outburst.
He types, "whatever" in response to Antlion then 10mins later, reads said response takes offence and then go off on one.
How drunk do you have to be to take umbrage at your own replies? Laughing my ass off here.
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Dude has more pics of Nicola than an SNP fanbois.
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2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:
27. Not insignificant if they do it as a herd.
I believe the correct term for a bunch of lemmings is a slice.
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lol Priti Patel fails to get enough backers.
They're all horrible, self-serving liars who will cater their promises to what their increasingly elderly members want. Average age is 72. Pandering will become the order of the day. Rishi is hoping they fancy him. He is well prepared, thanks to taxpayer funds:
The Rish bitch won't spend his own funds.
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4 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:
You always have to assume these fuckers are up to no good so the proper oddballs and outsiders like Badenoch, Braverman etc may simply be trying to split the vote to knock out one or other of the bigger beasts in the early rounds.
Some of them are just trying to increase their public profile in hopes of landing a cabinet position.
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3 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:
Watching it on Sky.
I trust nobody with any wet paint is missing the wonderful opportunity to experience its glorious drying by instead watching Starmer's meaningless verbiage and gobbledygook.
He says he is offering change, yet his signal policy is merely to comply with the NIP as written which is a continuation of Tory policy.
Make Brexit twerk.
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Kier Starmer giving a speech. It's not great as he is a bad public speaker. He mentioned Gordon Brown doing something on devolution and Lord Blunkett too.
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5 hours ago, Left Back said:
They weren’t.
In 2021 47.7% voted SNP in the constituency vote. 1.3% Green
The regional vote was 40.3% and 8.1% for them respectively.In the 2019 Westminster election the SNP got 45% of the votes. I can’t find figures for the greens but if you add up the figures for the other three main parties you can see they got 53.2% so the greens were as trivial as ever.
You don’t need a degree in maths to work out that, contrary to your claim, a majority of people did not vote for parties that back another referendum.
In 2021 The SNP won the majority of the vote, it was the largest single party. Majority does not mean they command overall or outright majority on their own but hey do command the largest voting preference at the ballot box.
Here's example ballot that may help your misunderstanding.
Simple election vote. 100 votes total.
4 Candidates A,B,C and D. A get 40 votes B, C & D get 20 each.
Who won the majority of the votes? A
Who wins the seat. A.
The other 60 don't count as a unitary block, because their share is split 3 ways with only 20 each.
Now, this is my question to you. IF the SNP were to command 50% or greater, what would change? What threshold in law are we attaining? I can't find any. This requirement appears to be just another arbitrary hurdle. One of many set by opponents who lost at the ballot box.
Because the fact is if they were polling at greater than 50% yet unable to command the legislature then they would not be able to hold a referendum, and the opposition party that presumably would be in power wouldn't be minded to bring one forward on the basis of polling.
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5 minutes ago, Left Back said:
Where did I say they weren’t representative? You argue against FPTP in one post then use the results from this “unfair” system to claim something that never happened in your next post.
You’re all over the place.
A majority of the Scottish electorate were motivated enough to back parties that supported another referendum, enough to gain majority representation in our Parliament. How is this not indicative that majority are in favour? That's the question, if a majority were not in favour why is that not being reflected at the ballot box.
I've not really commented on FPTP or called it unfair, so i have no idea where you get that from.
Our system is more sensitive to swings from one party to another though, so if people were so motivated to oppose they could easily unseat the parties in favour of Indy and remove them from power, but they do not. It's not because they cannot. It's because they are in the minority.
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3 minutes ago, Left Back said:
The number of representatives under FPTP does not demonstrate that a majority of people want a referendum as you claimed.
If elections aren't representative of the political desires of the electorate then what are they? Are the results meaningless? What other measure would you use?
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6 minutes ago, Left Back said:
A majority would be greater than 50% of the popular vote surely?
That's not how we elect representatives.
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1 minute ago, VincentGuerin said:
Rarely bother with this section of the forum, but this Unionist line is one of the daftest going.
The division exists. Holding a referendum won't make the country divided, it is divided and has been for years. A consequence of that division is that a second referendum is inevitable and necessary.
They don't seem to realise that the majority want a referendum. The evidence is that there were enough of the Scottish electorate motivated to vote in favour of a majority of representatives in our parliament to do exactly that.
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The Gender Debate
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My mom had a penis.
She kept it in the wardrobe.