Zern
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Calling abandoning a series of pledges and promises a 'fiscal credibility drive' is a good attempt at turd-polishing though.
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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:
Keith Brown?
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Thornberry is turning into their very own version of Coffey. Saw her on a podcast with Nish Kumar and she was utterly tone deaf to some of the issues around race.
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54 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
Don't back doon, double doon. If that fails revert to whataboutery and deflection.
Don't forget good 'ol evasion.
Like when i ask what Nicola has done that is meant to be so scandalous.
Has she been caught screwing anyone in Parliament? Taken blow? Watched porn? Gotten inebriated and/or violent? Abused people around her? Used racial slurs? Taken a bribe? Taken a dodgy offer of a 2nd job? ..that later turned out to be a sting?
Nope.
None of those things.
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16 minutes ago, Soapy FFC said:
I quickly read this. There are several bits where it says not in Scotland, so I was just trying to figure out the impact on us.
https://twitter.com/CPhilpOfficial/status/1668898789275455489
Not certain with how that might affect Scotland specifically. Will complicate things. From what i understand the Public Order Act passed prior to the Coronation. In order for it to pass the House of Lards, amendments were made, certain things were taken out or clarified.
What happened here was the Home Secretary, Suella Braverman used a statutory instrument to put back parts that were removed by the upper house without debate in either. The Fatal motion was intended to prevent her amendments from happening.
This is same bill that Starmer said he 'wants to bed in" by the way.
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3 minutes ago, strichener said:
Would you like to elaborate on why Police Scotland should be investigating another political party. I would refer you to your own post if you have knowledge of a crime.
Well there's this guy. Calls himself an MP sometimes, an call himself an MSP on other occasions. Sometimes he even say's he's a leader. Appears to be claiming two Full-time salaries plus expenses, but also appears to be moonlighting at the football for the most part. Not sure how that works exactly. Won't release his full tax returns. Looks shifty. His political party is well-know for corruption cronyism and all manner of vip-lanes and preferential treatment for a donor class. Profiteering off a crisis at the public expense is one of their more recent gambits. Yet, no murder tents. No arrests. Clear guilt, yet no action by Police and security forces who were witness to all the antics. Not until it became undeniable that it had happened. Nearly a year later.
QuoteShe stood on her pedestal and berated the corrupt Westminster parties and now look.
Is she corrupt? Is there corruption in the Scottish Parliament? I don't think so. We know what corruption looks like and can see it happening in the other parliament, yet we see nothing like the stuff being thrown towards the SNP at present.
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3 minutes ago, RuMoore said:
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"valid criticism" would be a smuggled premise. Criticism, is at best what you have; let's see whether it is valid.
Humza reckons that there is not enough to merit sanctions. I tend to agree.
Please do elaborate on why that is incorrect.
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4 minutes ago, orfc said:
I had an appointment at the dentist last week. I wasn't arrested for it
That's because dentists are not the Police, it is why they are spelled and pronounced differently.
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12 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
I'll wait for the Police to conclude their investigation, thanks.
Rather than contorting that the former FM had arranged to help Police with their enquiries. That is a truly wild take when the Police statement said she was arrested as a suspect.
I think you don't understand how appointments work. Date & time. Arranged. Agreed. No charges.
The headline is intended for the "low information" demographic.
Emphasise the catch, diminish the release.
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10 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
Me and Zern must live in very different worlds. That is some take...
If you have any accusations that are worthy of any consideration you may address them to:
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21 minutes ago, Soapy FFC said:
I'm unclear, do these new powers apply to Scotland, or just England Wales. I've glanced through the text of the SI used but can't really get my headt round it.
UK legislation. Public Order Act. Govt uses a statutory amendment to change the definition of the main legislation by the back door. Green/LibDem/ind table a Fatal Motion to prevent this.
Labour abstain.
Tories win.
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4 minutes ago, StellarHibee said:
You're supposed to assume they're guilty because they're being investigated. When it inevitably leads to nothing, you're then supposed to assume that Police Scotland are corrupt and are all SNP voters.
Basic media literacy should make anyone suspect anything that is leading with the spectacular in favour of the factual.
Although i absolutely support Police Scotland's proactive approach and look forward to similar scrutiny, and murder tents, being placed on another political party.
Won't be holding my breath tho'
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9 minutes ago, strichener said:
I don't need to write a dissertation. The esteemed ex-leader of the party is arrested by the police investigating wrong doing in the party that she led and where she was married to the chief-exec. Instead of distancing themselves from her they instead buy her flowers. In what reality is this the actions that show that the party are right to govern the country or lead us to the ever diminishing likelihood of independence.
Her legacy is that she has caused irreparable short term damage to the independence movement and yet is lauded as a great politician. She wasn't, she isn't and the sooner the cultists realise this the sooner they can start making the correct decisions for the SNP.
It's not a cult then. Just name calling. Ad hominem to dismiss something.
I don't see any damage to the SNP as damage to the independence movement. They are not the same. That support remains buoyant and well above the level that the previous referendum enjoyed at its beginning.
There is no doubt that Nicola has be lauded as a great politician. Not surprising given her history. A history of many successes, few failures and with no actual scandals beyond the usual suspects. Who have a tendency to project their own insecurities onto others. There is also the legacy of her outreach work within the EU, other Parliaments and leaders and more. Most noted is her ability to debate and improvise whilst doing so. An effective communicator.
The party appears quite aware of everything you say, and the flowers are a nice touch. She has no charges against her, none of them do.
Is the mere fact of an investigation, and the way in which it has been carried out, supposed to be leading me towards some conclusion?
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4 minutes ago, BTFD said:
That recently-posted list of self-defined priorities among Republican voters was hilarious.
Essentially "getting it right up the Libs" is now more important than anything to do with the economy, defence, or other traditional conservative issues. It can all burn in the name of liberal tears.
I once heard that segment of Republicans described as people who would gladly eat a dog turd in order to breath on a liberal.
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21 minutes ago, strichener said:
I mean it's literally no different from a cult.
I eagerly await your dissertation cataloguing the synergies and similarities between the two. I am quite sure that it won't descend into nonsense as the author disappears up their own arse.
What is actually happening is that there is simple a base recognition that the SNP are a vehicle and not the destination. Nicola stands in good stead with the wider movement because of her past record. The Police have no charges to make, and there doesn't appear to be anything for anyone to object too.
If any of them were to be suspended, what infringement would they be suspended for?
Helping the Police with their enquiries?
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Only heard her when the leadership hustings began. I recall that at the first three meetings she would announce herself as "the only SNP minister to resign over GRR" or something with a pause for applause.
Applause that never came.
Knew she was sunk right then.
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I watched it; he acquitted himself well, Alan Cumming was also magnificent.
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Just now, strichener said:
I think you may find that there is a common piece in both instances and it isn't Alex
I see it as a last gasp. The ex-FM was under the most exquisite scrutiny throughout her career and has published her taxes and answered to all her detractors in detail.
She is arguably the least likely candidate for suspicion. Backed up by her more dignified questioning. I suspect that when it comes out we will see a collection of wild accusations that bear no relation to the actual accounts and facts supplied by the SNP3.
Bonus points if there is mention of satanic rituals.
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7 minutes ago, strichener said:
There is absolutely nothing normal about the ex-FM being arrested by police investigating the...
She's the 2nd. Alex was something of trailblazer in that regard too.
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22 minutes ago, O_Kahn said:
"Obviously, given the nature of this process, I cannot go into detail. However, I do wish to say this, and to do so in the strongest possible terms. Innocence is not just a presumption I am entitled to in law. I know beyond doubt that I am in fact innocent of any wrongdoing"
Last sentence here from her statement is a bit Trumpy.
Trump would never use any of those long words intentionally.
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8 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
That's a very serious allegation...
Just give me 24 hrs sarge.
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Just now, Granny Danger said:
I’m willing to give the police the benefit of the doubt for the time being. It’s just over two months since Murrell’s arrest and there appears to have been a lot of investigative work since then. The only strange thing about the latest development is that it happened on a Sunday!
However if it drags on without any charges I’ll be more inclined to think that there are other motives.
Members of the SNP, like myself, and the wider Independence movement cannot be Trumpian in our approach. If there’s been wrongdoing it must be addressed, but it must be addressed in a timely manner.
It could be easy to trip into Trumpian denialism, but in this instance we see a similar pattern that was used in Beergate. The individuals are questioned under caution regarding nebulous 'complaints' that diminish into nothing. The person's involved are not allowed to comment, which only fuels the rabid speculation.
What makes me skeptical is the way in which they announce that someone is being arrested, to generate maximum headlines, when in the normal course of things you would expect a statement from the Police post-interview.
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30 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
On a re-read, I guess Zern is predicting a headline that's still to be written.
Aye. Pretty much.
1st clue; there are no charges. So no custodial stay beyond the chinwag which will largely go through her legal representative.
The 2nd clue is that she is going to them at an agreed date/time and has not been apprehended Sweeney style whilst out getting the messages.
She'll be back on streets by nightfall.
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5 hours ago, btb said:
As an aside are the Lib-Dems any worse than Starmer's iteration of the Labour party on rowing away from left-wing policies to win power?
Lib Dem pledges and Tory targets. They've become the thing they once hated.
The "Green investment pledge" has now been reduced. It was supposed to be a 28bn a year Green infrastructure and investment programme. Rachel Reeves said it would last for a decade.
Not any more. Something something to begin in the latter part of the 1st term with a total of 28bn in expenditure over its existence.
It is no way as ambitious as the IRA that inspired it.
"securinomics" as Rachel would say.
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Nicola Sturgeon Arrested, Peter Murrell Charged
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Robert Maclennan and John Thurso.
Then briefly Alex Salmond, Colin Clark and now Richard Thomson. Marginal area where the Lib Dems used to turn out in significant numbers, then totally switched to support the Conservatives, and were only narrowly beaten out at he last election by the SNP. Labour are nowhere in that seat. Last place.